- Oct 27, 2017
Oh right, marching is really going to get the Dem's to reconsider...
And what have these protests accomplished, exactly? It's nothing more than performative outrage, toothless defiance that is laughed at by both parties. The people protesting march until their legs give out or their voices grow hoarse, return to their keyboards, and continue lobbing rhetorical missiles. Rinse and repeat.
Long past time to start disrupting dinners of Democrat politicians. Pelosi, Schiff, Cummings, etc shouldn't be able to eat in public without someone getting in their faces about the destruction of law going on.
Keep in mind the current date with respect to the next election and how long impeachment/removal would take. 4 years of Pence is bad. 2 years of Pence is not good. Less than a year of Pence with the House against him, not nearly as bad. Pence is really damn awful, but a lame duck Pence right before he loses the election, might be the least awful situation.
I agree. But the election is 17 months away and Trump has a 90% approval rating among Republicans. The strategic thing to do would be to place impeachment front and centre during election season. Not only does this force Trump to confront obstruction (and potentially conspiracy) charges at election time, more importantly, it keeps him off the campaign trail.
The post I was responding to didn't talk about that. He said they don't happen. They certainly do.And what have these protests accomplished, exactly? It's nothing more than performative outrage, toothless defiance that is laughed at by both parties. The people protesting march until their legs give out or their voices grow hoarse, return to their keyboards, and continue lobbing rhetorical missiles. Rinse and repeat.
At this juncture, you can't really call it apathy. Apathy is staying home on November 8th, 2016. Now we're in the stage of the "Good German," and millions of supposed anti-Trumpers are tacit supporters of what he stands for, mainly because they're not impacted by his actions. We are well past the point of apathy being what keeps Trump in office.
what if you got a free meal if you marched to impeach Trump
Defeatist takes? It's reality. Makes sense for Democrats to keep him in then come the new election hammer the press and people with the shit. Remind them that he essentially colluded with Russia.
Which have done fuck all. Did we win the House, sure. Does the party not in power typically win in an off year election, also sure.
So, if that's true, then he's more likable than Trump, which means he's more electable, which means a more difficult campaign for the Democratic candidate. So still lose-lose in my opinion.
"Glorified Facebook Event"Which have done fuck all. Did we win the House, sure. Does the party not in power typically win in an off year election, also sure.
When the people protesting actually show up to vote for the Democrat like they should have in 2016, then I'll give them some props. As it is, the Senate isn't looking like we're getting that back anytime soon, and who the fuck knows if people will actually show up next year if their chosen one doesn't get the nomination.
In 2018 only 31% of millenial voters actually bothered to put their money where their mouth was. All those fucking protests and all that showed up was 3 out of 10 eligible voters in a demographic that skews left. And yeah, I'm heavily blasting the young voters above all others, because they're the ones that are showing up for the protests and NOT showing up at the polls. Even in an election year you barely can get half of young eligible voters out. In a protest after Trump won, a poll taking at a rally in Seattle showed that half of the people protesting didn't even vote.
Protests in America are a glorified Facebook event. Ways to appear 'woke' and part of the change, but they do not move the needle in the slightest. A day of action (Which in many places, are coinciding with Pride parades) is actually meaningless because they have proven they don't equal any kind of action other than looking good in a selfie. Marches against guns? Nothing. Marches for Women? Nothing.
You want change? Lasting change? Don't have a nice cheerful march through the streets which are dismissed by anyone in power and forgotten the day after. VOTE. When these people start putting as much effort into actually doing the only thing that actually gets results in this country as they do into their virtue signaling, maybe people will take their little pity parties more seriously. As it is, the only thing they're doing is tying up traffic.
The Left fall in love, the Right fall in line. The progressive left is never going to accomplish anything in this country until they realize what the Republicans realized long ago. It doesn't matter how awful the candidate is, you vote for them and you keep them in power no matter what, because they will eventually get you what you want even if it doesn't happen immediately.I'll be interested to see what these accomplish (if anything) and how many people get out there to do it. I myself am not a liberal and have no reason to protest, but the more people that care about the future of this country the better, even if we're technically not on the same "team." Honestly, I think if the left even wants a chance to take over the Senate and win back the Presidency, you really all need to get on the same page. All this in-fighting, arguing, and defeatism is only going to make the party weaker going into 2020.
This is just my take as an observer on this very left-leaning forum.
In 2018 31% of eligible voters under the age of 35 voted. In 2016 the number was slightly over 50. The total amount of voters was fully 10% behind 2018, at 49%. The only Presidential Election this was akin to was sometime in the 1920's. The house victories were fine but where we actually needed to win to save Roe vs. Wade, and stop the tide of ultra-conservative judges flooding the courts we actually lost seats. Let's pat ourselves on the back for putting our finger over the leak while the dam's overflowing. And the only thing these protests are about is wanting to do the exact same thing the Republicans did to Clinton and will fare no better due to, again, the results in the Senate."Glorified Facebook Event"
This is an ignorant as hell post and completely ignores the sheer impact protests have had throughout history.
You realize the Blue Wave consisted of more than millennials right? Protests helped drive that action and kept that anger high. The amount of people that voted in the 2018 midterms was that akin to that of a presidential election year, which was unheard of. It wasn't just because "the party not in power typically wins in an off year election". It was a blue wave that overcame gerrymandering and voter suppression by incredible margins, which is why the Dems won the House as much as they did.
Without those protests throughout those two years Dems probably would have still won, yeah. But nowhere near on the level that they did in 2018. It would have been a slim majority at best.
Please look at some history before you come in here with takes like this.
They'll suck it up. Just like all the rest of the crap they suck up.
This isn't a protest for impeachment. It is a protest to start an impeachment inquiry into whether he should be impeached. Huge distinction.
Yeah I voted in Broward County, I dont know if my vote was even counted in 2018.
The votes were one higher than they would've been otherwise. And accomplished more than the protests have.
We lost seats in the Senate because we had the worst election map for Dems in years. Dem seats were up for re-election in some of the reddest states in the union. The fact that we only lost as much as we did despite that map is nothing short of a miracle, thanks to the immense anger against Trump for those two years, that included the protests.In 2018 31% of eligible voters under the age of 35 voted. In 2016 the number was slightly over 50. The total amount of voters was fully 10% behind 2018, at 49%. The only Presidential Election this was akin to was sometime in the 1920's. The house victories were fine but where we actually needed to win to save Roe vs. Wade, and stop the tide of ultra-conservative judges flooding the courts we actually lost seats. Let's pat ourselves on the back for putting our finger over the leak while the dam's overflowing. And the only thing these protests are about is wanting to do the exact same thing the Republicans did to Clinton and will fare no better due to, again, the results in the Senate.
When these protests actually prod the 69% of people that couldn't be bothered to vote, or the half of the protestors that didn't bother to vote, and accomplish something other than what historically was always going to happen anyway, feel free to carry on with your calls of ignorance and history. This isn't Vietnam, this isn't other countries that shut down with the sheer size and magnitude of their cries, this is the Occupy movement for 2020. A pittance of maybe-voters showing off for their oh-so-virtuous buddies that have to be practically bribed to do the actual bare minimum the country asks for them to do once a year to actually have a chance of doing the thing they claim they want.
Preaching to the choir a bit with me. I think armed protests and riots are tools in the toolbox. My ancestors didn't get freed from a town hall debate.Personally, I say since the laws are what they are, every Democratic person that wants to protest should do so, and carry the same heavy weaponry that the Conservatives love to showoff anytime there is a Democrat gathering. Let's have an a fully armed pro-choice rally at Statehouses. Then you might be on to something.
I'm sorry your vote didn't sway the election. It helped, though. We can only force change if we all stay resolute and we keep working together.
I wasn't expecting to sway the elections single-handedly.
I get it but you cant go into next election with this mentality, thats how she lost. People thought this would be a wash for hilary so lots of people didnt even bother going to vote. This is the time where EVERYONE needs to jumps in and vote. I speak as a Canadian with a current Liberal government, but conservatives that are on the rise with Sheer who is Trump-Lite. Election this october every Canadian needs to vote as well and make sure this fucker dont get in.