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In Captain Marvel review, RedLetterMedia don't discuss the film for over 15 minutes as they talk about Brie Larson's comments on diversity
- Thread starter Cyprinodon Martius
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I mean, I agree with their take on the situation as a whole. Disney (and even Marvel Studios) could give zero fucks about any political aspects some people that are involved with the films are voicing, so they leverage it to their befit. The people that are talking crap about Brie/CM are literally giving the movie free advertisement, and the opposing side will also defend the movie no matter what the quality of it actually is as a bonus.
Bingo. This bizarre attempt to label the RLM crew as alt-right is so nonsensical. To be frank, Jay's bit about holding a screening for underprivileged children and Brie responding to the arrogant trolls with more arrogance was spot on. The roll out of the film just wasn't handled properly, the film should have spoken for itself and continued to empower those who feel empowered by it without the constant self-aggrandizing which only fed the trolls more.
Another thing here, we need to stop immediately conflating criticism of the film with sexism. No film should be elevated above rational criticism just because bad actors weaponize criticism to further spread sexism. My own criticism that Brie's performance was awful, the pacing was sloppy and the retconning was absurd is something I would be afraid to state in most places right now because I'll immediately be lumped in with a group of misogynists. Hell, I was even explicitly told by a friend of mine that my criticism was invalid because "the film isn't intended for your demographic so it wouldn't hold any personal meaning for you regardless" which is frankly just insulting and absurd for countless reasons. We need to be able to have a healthy discourse around these films without immediately associating all criticism with misogyny, it's only hurting the cause that we're all fighting for which is representation and equality which means the film is subjected to the same level of scrutiny as all other films.
Dude the sexist shitheads don't need to be stoked... women breathing lights their flames
How was Disney stoking the flames.
Woke Brands is something completely different than this
I understood their point to be that white men don't write bad review just because "it's not for them" - a legit response to Larson's point that A Wrinkle in Time failed because of bad scores.
At the same time though, if you criticize every corporation for doing the right thing just because they wanted more money, then you'd criticize every progressive decision made by them.
They're corporations. Of course they do everything for money.
And if they're gonna try and make money through attempts at progressiveness, isn't that a good thing?
Heck the only thing Disney did was push trailers about the movie.
No one gave Brie any tips to start a controversy or something, heck I doubt they even cared about that potential when casting her for the role.
Like seriously we're not talking about Disney pulling a Gilette here.
Blagh, RLM stopped being actually about film reviews years ago, and more about nerd rage.
And the defenses and descriptions of this latest "review" video about CM aren't convincing me otherwise. Just the fact that these geeks and nerds are saying that movies aren't important, is a joke. If it weren't important, they wouldn't dedicate their whole lives to seeing and talking about mass media and pop culture like they do.
It's when they fail to show empathy for media with people who don't look like them that they start talking about "objectivity" and trip over themselves like this.
And the defenses and descriptions of this latest "review" video about CM aren't convincing me otherwise. Just the fact that these geeks and nerds are saying that movies aren't important, is a joke. If it weren't important, they wouldn't dedicate their whole lives to seeing and talking about mass media and pop culture like they do.
It's when they fail to show empathy for media with people who don't look like them that they start talking about "objectivity" and trip over themselves like this.
I don't see why it matters. But then again I disagree with almost every one of your posts so, keep on keeping on.
The reason Woke Brands was well received was because HBomberguy has built up a lot of trust and put forward a general and convincing case of corporate profiteering off progressive ideas without just trying to jump on the new controversy train.
Somehow a few guys moaning about Brie Larson at the same time as every other half-rate vlogger on YouTube doesn't engender the same trust or respect.
You also didn't have a bunch of peeved HBomberguy fans running around squawking whatever half-baked defense first crossed their minds.
Pretty much my take after watching the video. This thread and some of the reactions had me legit wondering if they went full Notch or something. They repeat themselves a bit and it does drag on, but I didn't think they were trying to slyly incorporate disgusting alt right shit into their video.
There is nothing to defend. They do this everytime a movie comes in with controversy/baggage/nonsense attached.
You seem to believe they made an exception with this one. Why? Because the lead is a woman? lol
Larson remarking that playing Captain Marvel is her form of activism is eye-roll worthy for sure, and I do think there's a need to push back on this idea that seeing Captain Marvel is a feminist act or a 'fuck you' to alt-right assholes so emotionally and intellectually immature they can't handle a big tent movie starring a woman, but my god are these guys out of their depth when it comes to having any of these conversations. That they spend 15 minutes of a nearly 40 minute video misinterpreting Larson's call to action on herself and her peers with actionable plans on how they can increase the amount of marginalized voices in accredited film criticism is ridiculous. I don't blame anyone for writing these people off because they always seem to buy in to alt-right bad faith movements and step in it when it comes to matters of representation.
Yes, that particular argument is problematic of RLM. But it's not the totality of the video.
They aren't alt-right and I don't think that most posters are accusing them of that.
They do, however, attract a large alt-right audience. They clearly know this and they don't really seem to mind.
So?
It's an argument so outright malicious that it invalidates anything else they have to say on this topic.
I don't think one is a misogynist for not liking the movie, but the manner in which you express those feedback definitely inform that judgement.
For example, the context of your first paragraph definitely cloud your criticism in the second. You'd be hard pressed to empirically point to any "self-aggrandizing" that's not abnormal from any other Disney/big studio press run. The fact that you characterized it as such leaves me with more questions than answers about how unconscious bias could be informing your opinions.
But like, do you understand what makes these movies controversial?
I'm going to preface this semi-rant with a note that I've had a fascination with bad movies since catching MST3K on TV. That may alter my viewpoint of RLM a bit, i've tried to look at things critically, but nobody is perfect.
This is not the first time they have bitched about the corporationalization of film, it's a long running complaint that's often not attached to any social issues. EndlessTrash.gif. It's one of the primary reasons that I think that's where the true heart of their complaint lies.
I've watched most of 'Best of the Worst' and pretty much everyone they have on calls out sexist and racist shit, in pretty much every episode. I don't run across much, if any racist or sexist humor, especially given the hours worth of content and comedy in BOTW alone.
They are seemingly guilty of falling for the 'Outrage Culture' trope, without actually seeing that the vast majority of it is overblown bullshit, with the 'outage over the outrage' getting more attention.
That does not however override one truth that is now evident that was not 10 years ago: diversity is profitable. Corporations have taken advantage of that fact after years of taking advantage of the opposite. But I think they fail to see that while the transition may be largely profit driven, and largely hypocritical seeing a corporation push the transition as brave and groundbreaking, the result is turning out some genuine new distinct original content, and they even give some examples of smaller successes, but they also ignore some of the bigger ones to make this point.
They have blind spots, but are not would I would call 'far right' or anti-social justice.
They badly need exposure to people outside their friend circle, and I think if they had they they would be receptive to it while many other shit stains online would not. I think there are many people that fall into this group, that I think will ultimately, with continued exposure, find less and less to bitch about on this topic.
Being able to see that, until recently, everything was catered to a specific group (almost entirely white male) in entertainment is a big leap for many to make, but i'm not going to be outright hostile to such people until they give me reason to, a reason beyond not being able to see that yet. I'm also not going to humor that point of view much either, and won't bother watching their attempts to talk about the issue. Best of the Worst is funny on it's own without needing to resort to any overtly critical look at social justice in film, and does not need to resort to that poor level of comedy to entertain. Ironically they call out social justice issues on the show all the time, they are just not directly attached to 'social justice' as an topic. They don't see that making fun of the inclusion of terribly dressed, only there for eye candy, models or awful racist caricatures they make fun is basically social justice without the moniker. They look back at those inclusions and laugh at it because they have moved on and matured from that period.
Ultimately, we have to draw a line between those we should ostracized for being assholes, who marginalize minorities or jump on the anti-science bandwagon or jump on the 'MAGA Train' just to rile people up and those who could get it with a bit more time and exposure. I view these fucks from Milwaukee on this side of the line.
hey, at the end of those 15min they also have a line making fun of people who make YouTube videos complaining about brie Larson so it's all good
This is some really great stuff. Have you considered formally offering your opinions to women on how they should respond to rampant sexism coming from men? I think it would really help people like Brie Larson get this whole "feminism" thing down.
This. Thank you.
Love Captain Marvel, Brie Larson an RLM all the same. The review is perfectly fine and their point of view is an enrichment, even though I don't agree with them in every single point.
RLM used to be cool when they talked about movies, but starting around Thor Ragnarok (Im sure its been going on before this) I noticed they spent more time talking about the people watching the movies than the movies themselves. They became completely useless. I never even bothered to see their Last Jedi review.
Agreed, I rolled my eyes at that part of the video as well. I just was expecting so much worse based on the reactions I'm seeing.
Of course. But I just think that more people should keep in mind that the big wigs (yes, including celebrities) will say anything that'll make the target audience happy, so maybe not take everything that's Tweeted/blogged/etc. as gospel.
This is outright malicious....
I'm going to repeatedly quote this to anyone who quotes that post as if it highlights that everyone is overreacting
Like the supposed charitable summary literally says they said Brie Larson is sad she's not a Black woman and thus not the most oppressed so she went after white critics.
That's indefensible
Legit manbaby fuckwads, salty incels and trolls. And they mention and ridicule these on a regular basis.
It is possible to criticise backwards thinking bullshitery and also make fun of Disney's PR and/or Larson's unfortunate comments like the Wrinkle in Time one, in the same video.
Doesnt mean they are undercover women haters ffs.
That guy eating his own boogers and munching popcorn next to him was like a supervillain origin story.
Honestly I hope the move is nominate for like 5 Oscar's to piss off the children in here and the rest of the internet
This is gonna be heresy for some, but I think Mike has to go, or at least have much lesser contribution to the channel. He's basically dead weight at this point, rarely enjoys movies he reviews, has nothing really interesting to say, and most of the shitty, misguided, ignorant stuff that RLM gets flak for comes from his mouth.
holy fuck some people really can't handle any sort of medium when it isn't being dominated by white dudes.
It's kinda funny how the only thing people remember about that speech was her bashing white guys and not, you know, her trying to uplift minorities... but that kind of thing happens a lot it seems...
Do people even know why Kaepernick kneeled?
it's not even that, it seems like they just lost their shit when she said "white dude"
Mike opens by saying he liked the movie but then hated it when he heard that speech lol
I say this with alot of people I used to love on YouTube and slowly leaned away from. I still love rlm but.... "they aren't alt right but they are okay with their alt right audiance and they do not mind playing to them"
It was that "Diversity only matters to SJWs" bit in the TFA Plinkett review that made me realise that these guys don't have anything valuable to say about anything beyond Best of the Worst style movies. They might not be alt-right themselves, but they sure as hell have a huge alt-right fanbase and they're happy to pander to them.
Literally not any deeper than anger about her being "racist towards 40-something white men". It's different levels of the aggrieved white guy shit, RLM is no different.
RLM may not be alt-right, but they have an alt-right fanbase and I see the same shit that happened with H3H3 happening with them sooner rather than later.
Film studios have been shilling white people for decades so much so that even in Asia here people still think it's weird to see non white actors as mains even just a few years ago. But when they start featuring women and PoC it becomes a problem.
And god forbid young girls having superhero idols that look like them, cannot forget about corporate agendas now.
Bingo.
