That is something that is surprisingly hard to understand if you're marginalized.
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In Captain Marvel review, RedLetterMedia don't discuss the film for over 15 minutes as they talk about Brie Larson's comments on diversity
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I think film has the potential to be that catalyst for people to be sure, but when I look around the political scene of today, it's pretty depressing. The most exciting activism happening right now has more been a reaction to the ghoulish political changes of the last decade. Podcasts have probably motivated more political activism than blockbuster films.
And as far as movies like Predator or Taken go, I think they just don't come up because their politics are absolutely garbage and if anything reinforced the opposite personal feelings that need to be done. Movies like Captain Marvel are actively trying to make a point of sending a political message, and if you draw attention to that then I think of course people talk about it.
but i thought she just wasn't doing enough for you and that's why you had this spiel at all
And do you only play video games that motivate you to start the revolution?
I'm not even really trying to put you in a gotcha moment, it's just that wanting every piece of media to spur the revolution is a bit unreasonable. Sometimes I just want to see a movie about a guy in a spider suit.
And yeah we can go into a further conversation about corporate responsibility and capitalism but that doesn't really preclude the fact that everything doesn't have to be revolutionary all the time
only when it's starring women and black people, apparently
I personally don't feel like movies like this go far enough and Hollywood doesn't deserve the credit it gets for being the influencer that people think they are. That is literally it. You don't have to continue being this in-my-face about it. We don't even fundamentally disagree in our politics yet you're treating me like I said something completely monstrous.
Because I think the selective outrage from people like you over genre flicks that have diverse leads is bullshit. It's gatekeeping. No matter how you try to dress it up.
And I sincerely understand why you feel that way because it's a legit common thing for people to do. I'm not selectively outraged - there's not even anything wrong with Captain Marvel and Brie Larson is a great actress - she was fucking awesome in United States of Tara which is my personal favorite appearance from her - there's no outrage over this film from me at all! I'm just telling you that I am not your enemy on this one.
Then what's your point in telling people to temper their praise of the movie? No one praising the movie is under any allusions that CM will end all politcal strife. No one making or watching it expects it to destroy the GOP and provide clean energy. Sometimes it's enough to create a movie that makes the marginalized person watching it feel genuinely seen and confident and it doesn't need to do anything else. Being frustrated at people praising CM or Black Panther because it "doesn't do enough" is barking at something that doesn't exist. No shit it "isn't far enough". It wasn't made to be the atom bomb for all of toxic culture. That's without even discussing that maybe those movies you don't think "go far enough" only don't because they exist in a culture and an industry that actively pushes back against progress. They don't go far enough because they aren't allowed to by the very industry they are produced in by people interested in maintaining a status quo. It's a miracle that a film like Captain Marvel or Black Panther or Tangerine or Moonlight or Get Out etc. even come out in the first place in an industry that is so filled with people blatantly against the ideals those movies try to get across.
You can't tell someone that you understand why someone feels that way over something you're saying and then go on to say that it wasn't what you were actually saying.
This! The fact that Captain Marvel exists and isn't horrible is not some sign that everything is better in Hollywood and all it's issues have vanished. We praise Captain Marvel and acknowledge that the Hollywood industry as it is right now is completely fucked and in dire need of an overhaul.
If we're genuinely having this much trouble just coming to a walking-away point because of a point of contention that I genuinely don't understand anymore at this point, I'm perfectly willing to blame myself for starting this with a hastily typed out post on lunch break and reflect on it so I don't say things in that way in the future. I apologize for partially derailing the thread and I'll seek out the opinions of others on this topic for future discussions.
The long and short of it is that people think that diverse films just aren't allowed to be mediocre.
Iron Man 2: "it's mediocre but whatreya gonna do, looking forward to the next one"
Captain Marvel: "this is mediocre and therefore just a shameless cashgrab aimed at dumb schlubs who want to watch a woman lead film. virtue signalling fuckmuppets. corporate wokeness, am i rite y'all"
And if you disagree. You're trying to censor muh films.
Bingo - there are plenty of mediocre movies for white dudes, why can't there be mediocre movies for women, black people, LGBT, etc.
Not everything needs to be Citizen Kane and world changing if a non-white dude is starring.
no no don't you see, donald trump is president, therefore if a film doesn't singlehandedly walk his administration out of the white house and into a jail cell it's failed at it's ultimate purpose
Here's a relevant excerpt from an interview that SLJ did with esquire.
And here's the full interview. It's well worth a read, and honestly is thread worthy in of itself.
And here's the full interview. It's well worth a read, and honestly is thread worthy in of itself.
i love itHere's a relevant excerpt from an interview that SLJ did with esquire.
And here's the full interview. It's well worth a read, and honestly is thread worthy in of itself.
People are finally realizing RLM is trash?
Good, they have been wink wink about being anti-SJW and other white male toxic bullshit for YEARS. Glad people are finally starting to notice.
Good, they have been wink wink about being anti-SJW and other white male toxic bullshit for YEARS. Glad people are finally starting to notice.
Only took around 5 years
But let's be honest. Lots of people knew and didn't care.
I'm more worried about: "you didn't like captain marvel, you're an asshole and a bigot" mentality I've seen around here.
I just want to discuss the movie without the politics people attached to it :/
That is what is sad about this, they have shown their ass about playing into the toxic white male stereotype of whining about diversity and feminism for years. This is not new. It's been there for years and they have made comments that made their awful backwards social views known for years.....people just kept their hand in the sand.
I mean you had to be willfully ignorant to not realize they have toxic and backwards views on gender and race. They have made it known for a long time if you were willing to pay attention.
It's fine to dislike Captain Marvel as a movie.
What isn't fine is to make blatantly sexist offensive comments about women like RLM does.
You 100% can discuss and critique Captain Marvel. No one is saying you can't and almost no one is claiming it's perfect. Have you been in the threads for the movie?
Yep this isn't a thread about RLM disliking Captain Marvel, this is a thread about RLM's sexist comments against women.
Sooo. Keep politics out of my films ?
No one has said that. People are called bigots in the context of the movie because minorities aren't stupid and can tell when someone is genuinely pointing out flaws and when someone is artfuly trying to dodge around their actual bigoted opinions by masking their rhetoric in "critique".
You're right. I'll just go to the OT and discuss there, this thread is about RLM.
He clearly should have been less antagonistic in his tone. What a nasty person. /sHere's a relevant excerpt from an interview that SLJ did with esquire.
And here's the full interview. It's well worth a read, and honestly is thread worthy in of itself.
That's it ! Because of him, i'm going to become an alt-right. I now see they were right all along.
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what on Earth are you babbling about?? do you have me confused for someone else?
They have hammered on Quentin Tarantino in the past for his comments and actions outside his movies, and they've done the same for other directors and actors.
In that way, Brie Larson is not being singled out.
Well, they say here that Tarantino is an asshole and obnoxious as a person.
There is plenty more where that came from in regards to other directors and actors.
Agreed. The only good thing I can say about them is at least they aren't Cinema Sins. But that is a really fucking low bar to clear.
I love SLJ.Here's a relevant excerpt from an interview that SLJ did with esquire.
And here's the full interview. It's well worth a read, and honestly is thread worthy in of itself.
Just FYI, in case there was any doubt, it's perfectly possible to not really like the movie for structural or thematic shortcomings and to not fall into a bunch of shitty misogynistic garbage, or to look at Brie Larson with some kind of offended disdain..
Except for the fact that the context for the two are completely different, making them not comparable at all.
He is the hero we need.Here's a relevant excerpt from an interview that SLJ did with esquire.
And here's the full interview. It's well worth a read, and honestly is thread worthy in of itself.
I wonder if Neeson's recent issues will tank MiB or if that was always going to tank anyway?
He didn't like it? I didn't get that at all.
he didnt think it all worked as he could not relate to her as Vers, and I that is kind of the point of the film.
He likes Carol and wanted more of her.
It helps that he is not a scumhole and actually talks about the issues and does not soapbox them.
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Go on.
I would say they qualify their criticism of Brie Larson better, because they tie it in with her inconsistent performance in the movie.
