I don't know why you're putting white people into a different category of awful? Someone like Bill Cosby DID demean/discredit his accusers. It's the abuse of power that is the problem. Race is irrelevant here.
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I don't know why you're putting white people into a different category of awful? Someone like Bill Cosby DID demean/discredit his accusers. It's the abuse of power that is the problem. Race is irrelevant here.
Really. That's your takeaway from my point. Maybe because there's been a ton of powerful white guys committing sexual assault and abuse in the news lately? I didn't say it was only white guys. Louie is just yet another white guy in this category.
Use powerful men if it makes you feel better. But a fuckton of them are white.
Probably not worth the discussion with the poster, a predictable posting history
It's hard to have a nuanced discussion when the jokes lack a punchline. Or rather hve an illogically punchline aimed only at people who're bitter old and young straight males who can't process the thought of empathy.
The bolded is quite possibly the audience he was performing for.
I was satisfied with the person's answer, so there wasn't going to be any follow-up discussion but thanks.
There's nuance to be had in discussing stuff like Springtime For Hitler (which was, IIRC, controversial in its time). There is no nuance to be discussed with "damn those needy trans youths. I'll demand to be identified as a helicopter!" level of "humor"
Which I think was the worst part. There was no wit or cleverness to them. Just tired and lazy racist jokes that have been told over and over again for decades, to where you don't even have the shock part of the offensiveness to give the "humor" any edge.
You're forgetting the nuance of the crowd cheering and yelling "fuck you!" While Louie launched into his transphobic tirade
Unfortunately, I still don't think as liberal as people say they are, they're really that empathetic towards transgenders.
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Oh boy. This sure is a thread. Firstly, Louis fucked up big time. What he did to those women was gross and I can't forgive him for that, BUT people need to understand that Louis is constantly writing new material and, like all comedians, tests his new material in front of audiences in clubs to see what works and what doesn't so that he can polish it and make it into a special or go on tour with material that doesn't stink.
This wasn't meant to be heard on the internet, this was meant for a specific comedy-going audience that knows what they're getting themselves into when they go to a comedy club. Unfortunately, due to Louis' past transgressions, people are recording this material that isn't typically recorded and posting it on the internet for an audience that doesn't understand the method behind it. Most of this material fell flat and Louis would pick up on that and know where he needs to add or subtract to make it better.
I thought the bit about the Parkland kids was funny. (You're supposed to find it offensive, that's the joke)
This wasn't meant to be heard on the internet, this was meant for a specific comedy-going audience that knows what they're getting themselves into when they go to a comedy club. Unfortunately, due to Louis' past transgressions, people are recording this material that isn't typically recorded and posting it on the internet for an audience that doesn't understand the method behind it. Most of this material fell flat and Louis would pick up on that and know where he needs to add or subtract to make it better.
I thought the bit about the Parkland kids was funny. (You're supposed to find it offensive, that's the joke)
#Yourkidsaregonnaloveit
Once the Louis CKs of the world die, things will change.
People going to comedy shows should expect transphobia and jokes punching down at kids who survived school shootings as well as Asian dick jokes?
Hmm, nah
On no doubt the younger generation are way more accepting and understanding.
It honestly depends on the comedian. Edgy, offensive comedy exists and has it's audience. I'm less offended at this act and merely bored at how uncreative, tired, and lazy the jokes were.
I have grown up. I'm not the one getting offended by jokes and misunderstanding how stand-ups make their art.
People going to comedy shows should expect anything that can be said with words. You have every right to be offended as they do to say whatever they want.
I don't think there is any room for nuance as to whether the jokes were funny. They were shit.
There is probably some nuance as to where the situation falls between "comedian with long track history of lauded comedy makes a serious fuckup moment of bizarre tone deafness" and "he has clearly said fuck everyone and is intentionally pivoting into a full on war on progressive politics and positioning himself as the darling of the alt-right and bigots."
The masturbation stuff has clearly changed public perception of him, and fair enough too. I can understand that people have zero fucks or benefit of the doubt in regards to him. Would be interesting to see if the reaction to the current situation would have been different in a world where he wasn't also a disgusting pervert. Probably would have been given a little bit of rope to redeem himself like Chappelle. Ah well, we reap what we sow.
Yes you are. That's literally exactly what you're doing.
Did they know they were going to see CK? If so, I'd say expect anything
Gotcha, obviously can't anticipate that then, apart from whatever the general level of things were that night
"Testing material" doesn't at all excuse the thought process it takes to think that trans joke is at all funny, or anything at all beyond hack material.
Actually they shouldn't and we are more than entitled to discuss how poor his routine was, how tone deaf it was, etc
Your coming in here all bent out of shape over people you seem to think don't understand comedy where it seems that Louis CK has actually forgotten how to structure a joke
Like I said, I didn't think most of the material was great, but that doesn't mean he can't have a trans joke. Nothing is off limits in comedy.
If only that guy wouldn't have illegally recorded his thoughts straight to video
Thanks, bro.
If you're going to a comedy club and don't know who the lineup is, you should expect anything.
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