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In case you needed a reminder that Louis CK is terrible... (Check threadmarks for staff post)
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thick skin? lmao you jumped into a 24 page thread on the defensive and immediately started trying to rationalize your comments
kind of hilarious that someone who can't handle being asked to use the singular "they"... also wants their ideology to be referred to using a period-specific set of terms that read as an oxymoron to the average viewer
These posts are funnier than the entire set of material Louie did. You should be a comedian.
Haha all those kids that survived a school shooting and want to better the world and make their tragedy happen less just need to suck it up and deal with it, am I right? One of them is even a lesbian, can you believe it!?
I mean the most absurd thing is that people are continuing to pay to see a man who fucking surprise masturbated in front of multiple women. There are people happy continuing to support and be entertained by a man who is the equivalent of an back alley streaker. WTF. It's so much simpler to just go find a funny comedian who is also a decent human being. There are tons but people choose this man.
There's a certain irony in proclaiming your own thick skin while returning to the thread to defend yourself, lest your feelings get hurt.
The jokes he made are indefensible...because they aren't funny or clever. They're lazy, surface level observations, rooted in ignorance and frustration or anger.
I've been doing stand-up for 6-7 years now, and I've said a lot of awful things that aren't and weren't funny. The key take away was that I learned and understood why the shit I said wasn't funny. Louis CK has t done a bit of that. He's just marching on with the same awful shit without any introspective thought.
The jokes he made are indefensible...because they aren't funny or clever. They're lazy, surface level observations, rooted in ignorance and frustration or anger.
I've been doing stand-up for 6-7 years now, and I've said a lot of awful things that aren't and weren't funny. The key take away was that I learned and understood why the shit I said wasn't funny. Louis CK has t done a bit of that. He's just marching on with the same awful shit without any introspective thought.
My daughter is getting very close to school age and it gives me anxiety just thinking about it all.
Imagine arguing that a rich white guy who has fucking everything, despite being a sexual harassing piece of shit with zero remorse who yells in anger at his audience for having to deal with slight consequences of said actions..
..is actually not the person with thin skin, it's the people who criticize him for continuing to be a fuckwad.
..is actually not the person with thin skin, it's the people who criticize him for continuing to be a fuckwad.
I just had a niece that started kindergarten this year. It also has me worried myself how she will ultimately feel.
She told me she hugged her friend because she thought she wouldn't get to again. 9-years-old, but thank God for CK and his scorching commentary.
That so heartbreaking! but man we should all just have thicker skin.
What even was the point of the Asian "joke"? And I only read it, so can someone who listened comment on whether or not the audience laughed at that as well? If they did, fuck them further.
To be fair he did insinuate he was really old so maybe he is from that long-ago period.
i wonder what it's like having skin so thick you come to a thread to whine about how other people don't like bigoted attempts at humor
To insult Asian people. That's really it. Just like the other jokes from the set. All he has is to insult people for not being straight, white and privileged as himself.
I wouldn't omit "and they're maliciously, extremely bigoted" for the reasons the jokes are indefensible
I'm not sure this is true. Stuff can be funny to some people and not to other people.
Dementia humor may be funnier to people who aren't going through a family member with dementia. Same with Cancer.
Jokes about OJ Simpson may be funny to some, but not the family of victims.
In the end, I am also projecting, because people process grief in different ways.
I don't think it's true that school shooting humor is a no-go for comedy. I think you just don't like what Louis CK said or it touches on a political issue you believe requires serious discussion. I believe this too, but at the same time, people can find humor in it.
I thought Louis CK's jokes were a little too fucked up, because it basically blamed the kids who survived. I think he probably should think about the victims before making a joke like that with a specific target.
Maybe if it wasn't a reality we are facing day in and day out, inundated with dead children and uncaring politicians this would be true. But we are and it's not. It will never be funny. To insinuate otherwise in any manner is revolting.
Yep. He has nowhere to go for material now, because the subjects that made him famous don't work anymore with the revelation that he is a sexual predator.
It would be like Bill Cosby trying to play Cliff Huxtable again.
I think people confront and use humor to process tragedy every day. This is something that has existed for as long as the spoken word has existed. Some people call it gallows humor.
I used to be a pretty big fan of Louie but I just cringe at what he has become or shown himself to be. I don't get how so many were laughing on the audio. It wasn't funny. He continues to make headlines for bad reasons.
You know who does that?
People who go through school shootings.
You know who doesn't?
People who mock people who go through school shootings.
we had jokes about vietnam during the 60s and that killed more US citizens than school shootings.
Of course, Louie's set is tactless and shitty but yes, school shooter comedy is fine, and for someone to be like, "no it's offensive" goes against the very nature of stand-up, and especially the Comedy Cellar.
It depends. Are you punching up or down? If you're using a tragedy to shit on alt right/conservative assholes who talk down to victims, you might be able to do it effectively.
Are you punching down and backhanding victims of a school shooting and their families?
There is literally no fucking place in comedy to do this. Ever.
We are in a society that has these drills.
We are in a society where school shootings are in our tvs, computers, etc.
We are in a society where marches are occurring surrounding this national problem with guns.
I don't think Louis CK's joke was right. I don't think he should have made it.
I also don't believe all school shooting jokes are off limits. He made a joke I found distasteful and cruel.
I guess it would have to depend on the joke and craft involved.
Each person decides if it is too cruel for them. Some of the process of making a joke and testing it is finding this limit.
I thought Louis CK's joke was fucked up even if it's something he's still working on. The way it supposedly works within the rest of the jokes comes from a bad place in my opinion as if he's trying to silence victims rather than be funny.
Edit: Actually, I don't mean he's not trying to be funny, but it seems like he's trying to appeal to the crowd and hearing the people agreeing with him is weird. I'm not a fan of clapter comedy.
I think an important distinction is that he wasn't making generalized comments about school shootings. There's nothing satirical about what he says and he's not framing a punchline or joke.
He specifically lambastes survivors (children) of a school shooting standing before congress and directs vitriol towards them standing there as if it was a publicity stunt:
I don't know, they testify in front of Congress, these kids. I mean, what the fuck? What are you doing? You're young, you should be crazy, you should be unhinged. They're in suits saying "I'm here to tell you..." Fuck you, you're not interesting because you went to a high school where kids got shot. Why does that mean I have to listen to you? You didn't get shot — you pushed some fat kid in the way, and now I've gotta listen to you talking?
This is shit I'd fuckin' read on my crazy ass aunt's facebook.
And then he follows it up with lame ass whataboutisms that you see only from the edgiest of posters:
So that day 17 got shot in a school. What about the other 7,500 people? They didn't die in their sleep… People get upset that they're young, they died so young. That's offensive to me. What, if I die now, fuck me?
Old ass angry dude rambling, that's all this bullshit is. He ain't workshopping. He's just an old, angry, perverted asshole.
He specifically lambastes survivors (children) of a school shooting standing before congress and directs vitriol towards them standing there as if it was a publicity stunt:
I don't know, they testify in front of Congress, these kids. I mean, what the fuck? What are you doing? You're young, you should be crazy, you should be unhinged. They're in suits saying "I'm here to tell you..." Fuck you, you're not interesting because you went to a high school where kids got shot. Why does that mean I have to listen to you? You didn't get shot — you pushed some fat kid in the way, and now I've gotta listen to you talking?
This is shit I'd fuckin' read on my crazy ass aunt's facebook.
And then he follows it up with lame ass whataboutisms that you see only from the edgiest of posters:
So that day 17 got shot in a school. What about the other 7,500 people? They didn't die in their sleep… People get upset that they're young, they died so young. That's offensive to me. What, if I die now, fuck me?
Old ass angry dude rambling, that's all this bullshit is. He ain't workshopping. He's just an old, angry, perverted asshole.
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Mate, there's no way you can analyze what Louis said and turn it into gallows humor... it's just not possible. There is no joke, he is quite literally angrily ranting.
Indeed, there is no joke; it's pure hatred and disdain.
Like I said. Are you punching up or down? It's pretty much as simple as that. You don't use victims of a school shooting as the punchline of a joke. It's not funny. And if you're laughing you're an insensitive asshole (directed generally).
Not exactly rocket science.
And in this case he's not even joking, he's venting.
He was making a point about school shooting victims getting large amounts of media coverage compared to the many other untimely deaths that go unnoticed daily. Also, that if he were to suddenly die, the media wouldn't consider it tragic in a "died so young" way since he's now too old for that.
I'm not defending his act, but I did listen to it and seems like you hadn't & were looking for more context.
South Park's first episode this season is a dark comedy take on school shootings. But there's a message in the episode about the utter desensitization of the American public to kids dealing with this supremely dark reality every day, and the supremely dark humor comes emanates from making that point.
Here, its Louis CK saying "these fucking kids get attention for surviving, how weird is that." As people have said, there doesn't even seem to be a joke; it's just a random rant.
Here, its Louis CK saying "these fucking kids get attention for surviving, how weird is that." As people have said, there doesn't even seem to be a joke; it's just a random rant.
South park really nailed that. For the rest of the season, any time a scene started with the school, original theme jingle, and sounds of kids in a hallway, the last was replaced with automatic rifle shots and kids screaming. Very nice touch to show that it's still a problem and we are desensitized to it. By the end of the season you almost miss that there are gun shots.
Whoa. I didn't even notice them all by seasons end. They really proved their point by repeating the joke.
Is anyone even trying to censor him or say he can't do his gigs right now? I mostly just feel like his shit sucked and wasn't funny at all. It just came from a place of bitterness with him.
Not a single fucking person I've seen has tried to censor him.
Unless we're redefining censorship as criticism.
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