They have all the right. It's their event. They don't want him there, he doesn't get to go.
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Infiltration (SFIV, SFV fame) accused of domestic violence against ex-wife (out of TGS tournament)
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Man, I just cannot agree with a community making a judgement on a guy over a personal dispute. It just seems like a really bad precedent to set.
The guy who drove a van into a crowd of people is one thing, but a domestic dispute? That's reaching way too far. I hope other companies and communities don't start following this precedent.
So you want tournament officials to beat the shit out of him?
There's a difference between making up conspiracies and actual having an investigative report written about what transpired. Unless you want to say that he he paid off someone to write that as well.
Even with the investigative report, people here still don't wanna swallow their pride or budge on their stance. Don't wanna acknowledge that with this particular case what has been done to him and his character is not proportionate with what has been reported.
How progressive.
How progressive.
I don't see how you read the reports and act like he's a victim. He got violent with his wife. She got injured. He got hit with a restraining order and paid fines for it. He did this to himself and his character.
I don't see how you read the reports and come to that conclusion without seeing a shred of nuance, so I suppose the feeling is mutual.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. He didn't choke her to death but he probably did more than bruise her wrists.
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There is no evidence for this whatsoever.
The altercation that occured happened when Infiltration asked for a divorce. Text records show his wife repeatedly tried to force him back into the relationship, even after his fine for violence. He was unknowingly recorded denying any violence towards her before the bruised wrist. No evidence has ever been entered into record, AFAIK, that he abused her in any way prior to this. The only allegations otherwise come from an anonymous reddit post that has been pretty well debunked.
And for the wrist itself, this was a verbal altercation that rose to two people fighting over a phone to call the police on one another. It's not hard to imagine how that injury could have been unintentional. Which isn't excusing it, because any kind of laying on hands is unacceptable and merits punishment, but there is a degree of difference between something like that and hitting your spouse.
Even when there's a detailed report outlining everything that happened, it's still apparently "somewhere in the middle". This is why these kind of allegations are so fucked up. People will cling to the initial allegations even in the face of facts. Why? Who the hell knows, you don't even know these people.
Have you read the report? They didn't even deny the transcripts and audio recordings.
Those allegations were debunked. People seriously need to stop believing everything they see on the internet after this fiasco.
Well, Panda Global's weak "investigation" is part of the internet.
The transcript is legit but incomplete.
This is the key takeaway from this. He's awful for what occurred and deserves no pity, IMO. If Infiltration ever leaves the FGC permanently nothing of value will have been lost.
Care to point out what makes Panda's investigation "weak"? Panda has all the financial incentive to be as thorough as possible, regardless of how much internet pundits want them to take their side.
I don't know who to believe, this situation is far too complicated but he did get charged for the broken wrist.
Can't lie, I do feel a little sorry for him. What a fucked up relationship
I still can't get behind infil on this based on his actions and alleged speech. The whole relationship was a little strange; they got married very quickly.
Can't lie, I do feel a little sorry for him. What a fucked up relationship
I still can't get behind infil on this based on his actions and alleged speech. The whole relationship was a little strange; they got married very quickly.
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The craziest stuff in the initial reddit post was definitely debunked.
The transcript bandied about as proof supporting the initial reddit post was affirmed to be legitimate from the investigation, just cut around to remove some context of the conversation. He says some pretty nasty stuff in that transcript no matter how you cut it.
In the end, she had proof that she was injured recently and proof they were in what could have been a physical domestic dispute around the same time as that injury, and he challenged neither thing.
My takeaway, personally is that while Infil didn't deserve the extra court of public opinion fearmongering about what happened from people cutting up the transcript to make things sound worse than what they were, the actual result of the investigation is still vague and doesn't really exonerate him wrt laying hands on his ex. So yeah, it is "somewhere in the middle", and largely in part because he never tried to fight the charges or dispute her evidence.
So while the extra damage to his public image may have been unfair, I don't think PG and Capcom's actions were.
Ugh. I just leaned infiltration will be attending evo
He deleted his tweet which had a few bits from the transcript to avoid further harm to the actual victim but it quickly reminded me why I flushed him and stopped watching his streams. I know I'll be disappointed but I'm hoping he'll not be playing any of the games I'll be watching. Ever that or just keep his matches off stream if they're too cowardly to ban him.
He deleted his tweet which had a few bits from the transcript to avoid further harm to the actual victim but it quickly reminded me why I flushed him and stopped watching his streams. I know I'll be disappointed but I'm hoping he'll not be playing any of the games I'll be watching. Ever that or just keep his matches off stream if they're too cowardly to ban him.
Wasn't this case a lot more complicated than simply Infiltration being the bad guy?
I thought the situation is already cleared tho.. Man already through his punishment and suffered financially heavily.
Yeah, I heard there was apparently some new evidence or something that came to light but I'm not sure what could make things like, "that wasn't a suggestion, bitch. it was a threat. A command" Or "hey, carefully evaluate your situation. You want it bent until your bones get broken" make him sound any better.
They were lies, that's what.
Unfortunately, the OP was never updated with the stuff that came out.
The transcripts of the audio logs were lies? Where did that get mentioned? I don't think I remember anyone saying the transcripts were faked
Actually, now I'm not even sure. I know that a big part of the initial accusations were lies and some dubious stuff with the original Reddit creator and pepole associated with the wife that had their own agenda to make Infiltration look bad with false information. I'd have to actually look back for the full story; a lot of the articles that popped up were focused on the initial accusation and weren't interested in the follow-up.
Yeah, I've been searching since I read your post earlier and I'm having difficulty finding any info on those transcripts or whether or not they're accurate.
I mean, he was one of my favorite players to watch in tournament and on his streams but if what I read here is true, fuck that guy.
You should just look into Panda Gaming investigation transcript.
That's a big yikes. Was this a police transcript of an emergency call?
That's only if he actually did do all the things initially claimed.
If most/all of that was false then he has all the right to be pissed.
It isn't, so far as I can find at least. They got into a heated argument because he wanted a divorce. During this altercation, he grabbed her wrist, leaving a bruise. Sure, it may still technically be domestic abuse. But it's hardly the psychopathic assault he was accused of.
EDIT: Re-read PG's summary of their investigation. It appears that the transcript is legitimate, but the events are presented out of order, while some are omitted entirely. So, the physical abuse could have been more severe and simply left no visible injury. But, I don't know how much I would trust the translation in that link given that it was posted by the same rando on r/kappa that shuffled the transcript around and then deleted their account not long after their original post.
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This whole thing is so messy and what is fact and rumor is all over the place. I say that as a person who isn't even a fan of his. Reacting to rumor and conjecture when we could not and still can't separate what really happened is crazy, especially now that there seemed be obviously be way more going on here than we knew.
That said, if they choose to not give him any shine at EVO, like being on stream then so be it.
That said, if they choose to not give him any shine at EVO, like being on stream then so be it.
I remember something along the lines of the translations of the police documents regarding the incidents were falsified, and even then the authorities confirmed they never released those documents to anyone in the first place. It's all a huge mess and I'll try to find that info later when I can.
Edit: not a fan of his by any means or trying to defend an alleged abuser, just going by what I recall.
Edit 2: actually it looks like documentation was obtained and he uhh... Is guilty? Lol. Hate to reference r/kappa but there is a big write up there. The video/audio evidence was considered inadmissible at court though so I don't know why.
Edit: not a fan of his by any means or trying to defend an alleged abuser, just going by what I recall.
Edit 2: actually it looks like documentation was obtained and he uhh... Is guilty? Lol. Hate to reference r/kappa but there is a big write up there. The video/audio evidence was considered inadmissible at court though so I don't know why.
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Both would be tone deaf, especially in this day and age with a focus on violence against women. Capcom, Sony, and Evo all have involvement with the tournament in some way and as a result, all take an L if he's allowed to compete.
Capcom has no say over SamSho. Evo, SNK, or Athlon would have to ban him as well.
Ofc I'm not talking about Capcom relation, your response seem off.. I just talking about game that he likely to play.
The transcripts were never confirmed to be fake, but rather out of order or omitting some information listed in the investigation, if that's right. The issue is that some of the stuff that Infilitration said isn't good in any context and he more than likely did put hands on his wife.
With that said, I personally am not holding out that his former employer is necessarily a 100% unbiased source of info with all of this
With that said, I personally am not holding out that his former employer is necessarily a 100% unbiased source of info with all of this