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Insider: "Xbox Anaconda aims to be the clearly better performing device" compared to PS5

Do you think xbox will be stronger?

  • Yes, definitely stronger.

    Votes: 1,525 37.7%
  • No, PS5 will be stronger.

    Votes: 341 8.4%
  • Not sure honestly.

    Votes: 1,424 35.2%
  • Don't care I'm a PC gamer.

    Votes: 462 11.4%
  • I play switch only lol. Switch port pls

    Votes: 294 7.3%

  • Total voters
    4,046
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joe_zazen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Everything I’ve read about Scarlett implies 2 consoles (Xcloud and premium console). I don’t think the premium console has ever been rumored to rely on the cloud for performance.
I am sure you will be able to run xcloud games on anaconda, which means it will have that hardware. Doesnt matter tho because ‘advanced’ was the wrong word. Klobrille has docs and has shared them, so it is more powerful not more advanced. I was hoping it was more advanced, power is kinda boring.
 

Hate

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Oct 26, 2017
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So all this is just an intent?

Not even the final result?

Wow. Isn’t that a given?
 

nib95

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Oct 28, 2017
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This isn’t true at all though. In fact, Albert was the only example of this. Going off of what actual insiders said, we always knew the xb1 would have a weaker gpu. We also thought it would have more ram. Which it did until Sony changed upped the PS4 ram last second.
This is categorically false. Prior to the actual specs being released or leaked, pretty much every GAF insider claimed the Xbox One (Durango) would be more powerful than the PS4 (Orbis), in particular posters like Agies (from Polygon), ProElite and Karak. Not that I'm blaming them for that, I'm sure the Microsoft Insiders or sources they were in contact with continually made it seem as though that would be the case, but it simply wasn't.
 
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N.Domixis

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm sorry if your were offended it was not my intention.
It's just Im not arguing that Sony will be the market leader in Europe next gen, I think they will be, the post you replied to is more about another poster not accepting that Xbox can improve and do better in Europe.

And yes I dont accept other people's opinions when I think my point is correct, I don't know why you think this is a bad thing.
I can accept some growth but also we can’t ignore that PS5 could also get growth.
 

chanunnaki

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Oct 25, 2017
1,783
Ironically, a push for 8K
Yeah it does feel really premium not just whisper quiet so many features like UHD drive, freesync, dolby atmos support, more ram, better clocked cpu etc. I read a rumor that scarlet has an AI chip whatever that means. Gonna be some interesting stuff for sure.
Everything you listed is par for the course really, but AI chip? That would be a game changer and I can see MS leaning heavily on AI, as that is one area they are better equipped for. Imagine them exposing some high-level API to let devs easily avail of their AI hardware to radically improve enemy AI. Game changer. Maybe that’s where the “infinite” in halo infinite comes from. Maybe MS envision this as their final console, fully backed with the cloud, a console that will evolve in intelligence over time. Of course, there will be more powerful models in the future, but with this new strategy going forward, there would clearly be an end to the “generations” paradigm and this suits MS a lot more than PS. However, Sony are essentially moving in the same direction and it’s just down to the essence of their terminology, philosophy and semantic arguments. The AI-focus may just be MS killer feature though. I’m excited for them, and I hope it will force Sony to step up and take some notice.
 

Nightengale

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Oct 26, 2017
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Will there be console war memes for years like it’s 2013 again at the old place? I hope not. That shit was embarrassing
Even in 2016/17, the community manages to be plenty embarrassing with all the threads and and discussions around mid-gen (Pro and Scorpio) . So much intentional misreading of what the console manufacturers said from day one what those consoles were gonna be. An extension... of the existing console. A MID-GENERATION device. The name of those consoles ended up keeping the same family name ( PS4 and Xbox One) of the original devices... for a reason.
 

Barzul

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eh I’m more interested in what they do with x cloud and how portable their streaming option will be. That’s what truly revolutionizes the industry imo. Next gen Halo oof
 

chanunnaki

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Oct 25, 2017
1,783
Nah I'm really not into bring a leaker


My primary focus right now is growing my new YouTube channel and I dont want that channel to be built around leaks. In fact I'm so serious about this I've recently left basically all "insider" circles I've associated with and stopped talking to almost everyone in the rumor mill.

Of course I am still gonna hear stuff sometimes but am trying to avoid most of it moving forward to focus on my channel
Why would you need to do that? Surely being in-the-know is better than being out of the loop. It’s up to you what you publish at the end of the day.
 

RF Switch

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Oct 31, 2017
1,900
Exactly... Why else would they have multiple sku’s at launch?
The way I see it Microsoft can charge whatever they want for anaconda as long as They provide an entry console. With the X they proved that there is a market out there for people who want to best no matter the cost. If they pull out a price of 599.99 And it’s a beast it will sell and I’d be first in line
 

chanunnaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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He's literally said he doesn't know anything about the PS5. Hence "aiming."
That “aiming” language is weak at best. Anyone can aim for whatever they want, what the result will be is a different story. I have no doubt they’re aiming high. What else could it be though? Aiming for lower performance? Such strange language.
 

joe_zazen

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Oct 25, 2017
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Even in 2016/17, the community manages to be plenty embarrassing with all the threads and and discussions around mid-gen (Pro and Scorpio) . So much intentional misreading of what the console manufacturers said from day one what those consoles were gonna be. An extension... of the existing console. A MID-GENERATION device. The name of those consoles ended up keeping the same family name ( PS4 and Xbox One) of the original devices... for a reason.
It is because truth isn't what is sought, just winning. Forum discourse makes more sense when you understand that most people don't want better understanding, just winning. But there are some truthers, they are interesting. I wish i could highlight favourite users here.
 

scabobbs

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Oct 28, 2017
1,440
They're both going with AMD for the CPU and GPU, so the differences in power will come down to specific features on the silicon. "Clearly better" seems weird, what are they going to do, wait until AMD releases the successor to Zen2 and Navi? They're going to be almost exactly the same, because they're buying the same parts from the same vendor. Maybe Microsoft will put more/faster memory in it? Maybe they'll find a way to overclock the CPU and GPU ahead of the PS5 chip? What else could they possibly do?
 

Arklite

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Oct 27, 2017
1,908
Isn't the power race like a hand in poker? I'm confused about how people know things concrete.
 

Pagusas

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Oct 25, 2017
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Frisco, Tx
Microsoft will never again let themselves be second place in the horse power race. Even if it means selling a 600$ box. Remember, there will also be a 300-400$ version available for the masses so they can really shoot for the roof with the high end model.
That’s really my hope. People who can afford the nicer console shouldn’t have to deal with lower performance because they had to be price conscious for others. Give us a $600 and $400 version that will eventually slip to $500 and $350.
 

IIFloodyII

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Oct 26, 2017
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That “aiming” language is weak at best. Anyone can aim for whatever they want, what the result will be is a different story. I have no doubt they’re aiming high. What else could it be though? Aiming for lower performance? Such strange language.
Oh I agree. It doesn't mean a great deal. They probably aimed the same with XB1.
 

BlueBomberX

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Oct 27, 2017
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They're both going with AMD for the CPU and GPU, so the differences in power will come down to specific features on the silicon. "Clearly better" seems weird, what are they going to do, wait until AMD releases the successor to Zen2 and Navi? They're going to be almost exactly the same, because they're buying the same parts from the same vendor. Maybe Microsoft will put more/faster memory in it? Maybe they'll find a way to overclock the CPU and GPU ahead of the PS5 chip? What else could they possibly do?
My thoughts as well. Outside of Sony underclocking everything, I don't see a big difference happening. The major components are based on the same tech.
 

Benji

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Oct 25, 2017
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make a video of yourself blindfolded, throwing darts at a board of 500 predictions, where only 10 are real
I mean that's the hard part. Balancing building my channel and being "in the know"

I want to do things like fun prediction videos and stuff and I cant really do that sort of thing if I stay involved in the rumor mill.
 

joe_zazen

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Oct 25, 2017
1,490
They're both going with AMD for the CPU and GPU, so the differences in power will come down to specific features on the silicon. "Clearly better" seems weird, what are they going to do, wait until AMD releases the successor to Zen2 and Navi? They're going to be almost exactly the same, because they're buying the same parts from the same vendor. Maybe Microsoft will put more/faster memory in it? Maybe they'll find a way to overclock the CPU and GPU ahead of the PS5 chip? What else could they possibly do?
Thats why more advanced was tantalising. More powerful ( as in More CUs or an extra 2Gb ram or high clock) is boring.
 

CG Amor

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Oct 30, 2017
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They're both going with AMD for the CPU and GPU, so the differences in power will come down to specific features on the silicone. "Clearly better" seems weird, what are they going to do, wait until AMD releases the successor to Zen2 and Navi? They're going to be almost exactly the same, because they're buying the same parts from the same vendor. Maybe Microsoft will put more/faster memory in it? Maybe they'll find a way to overclock the CPU and GPU ahead of the PS5 chip? What else could they possibly do?
This is what I was wondering. Even if it is two sku's, where are they getting the mysterious tech from that's going to put Sony's console to shame. I can't imagine big differences here.

If they have two skus, what's the most powerful overpriced one going to have that the base model doesn't?
 

AtomicShroom

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Oct 28, 2017
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If people are expecting PS5 to be $499, how much Anaconda will cost? More? Or the same and MS will eat the cost?
My best guess is that MS will lift a few pages from the mobile phone industry’s playbook. They’ve been very smart about heavily investing in and building up their services and subscription game. They’ll probably be able to sell the console at the same (or lower) price as the PS5 by subsidizing the cost through a multi-year Game Pass subscription or something along those lines. Just watch them.
 

Sydle

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Oct 27, 2017
1,186
I don't doubt MS will achieve it, but I have a feeling it's going to come at a premium price.
 

UraMallas

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Nov 1, 2017
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I mean that's the hard part. Balancing building my channel and being "in the know"

I want to do things like fun prediction videos and stuff and I cant really do that sort of thing if I stay involved in the rumor mill.
I think your show is great so far but I only really know and follow you from your involvement in the rumor mill. Just a thing I'm saying. That's not to say I don't also enjoy the sales slant you give.
 

chanunnaki

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Oct 25, 2017
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How do I make an E3 predictions video when I literally know every single thing that will be ar E3?
I remember the early days of Engadget and gizmodo, with Ryan block and peter rojas, they had a good stance on leaks and rumours: they would publish them, but not without first reaching out to the targets of those leaks. If the targets share with you the truth and ask you not to publish, then you don’t.

I completely see where you’re coming from though regarding building a YouTube channel though. Although i feel there is more value to you being in-the-know than being another speculation-merchant.

Good luck to you either way man, I hope the channel goes really well.
 

Crayon

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Oct 26, 2017
11,302
Even though it's only been true for one generation - I guess one and a half- I totally associate Xbox with having the most powerful console. Even if it's just a halo-product like the x, I think it's an important part of their brand image.

Ironically, this doesn't seem to be a problem for playstation. Sony can come in with a weaker console, tell us it can fly a missile, and be on their merry way.
 

StrykerIsland

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ultimately, the machines will be very similar, moreso than ever before, I imagine. It will always come down to the games themselves, and the studios making them. Sony first party is just too good to pass up on.
 

Benji

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Its really easy to tell someone to just go ahead and leak stuff when you dont have that information

Why would I want to purposely hurt people I like and care about?
 
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