Why everyone forget price difference and that it was 1 year later?
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Insider: "Xbox Anaconda aims to be the clearly better performing device" compared to PS5
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Sony very easily could have waited a year and put more into it but they opted not to and go with what was available in 2016.
Interesting, while I dont have a link, it was my understanding that MS's focus on TV and app switching led them to more/slower RAM and they tried to offset it with the esram. Once they took up so much die space with that config they were limited in other areas. It made the system complex and slower to accommodate media instead of games. PS4 focus on fast RAM for games and luck at being able to include 8GB instead of 4 sealed the a significant performance game in their direction. Someone with more knowledge may be able to clarify that....
I will never understand people who insist on downplaying anything that MS does that is a positive no matter how minor and how little effect it has on competitors. Can we really not say MS had a nice, small efficient design regardless of the release timing? They did a good job of fitting that much power in a small space and is nearly silent. It still doesnt play Horizon Zero Dawn or God of War...
Considering both my launch PS4 and PS4 Pro both sound like freight trains, I dont think an extra year would have let Sony do this.
News to me that 3rd party games don't play on the 1 X....Thanks for the info!
I honestly forgot about the whole TV thing.
My main takeaway from all this is that the Xbox One is the result of dumb design goals rather than Microsoft getting "outengineered" in a one-to-one battle with Sony. Some people think that even if Microsoft tries to make Anaconda more powerful than the PS5 they still won't be able to surpass it due to a talent gap or something. The Xbox One X (and even the 360 which was brilliant from an architectural standpoint) shows what Microsoft can do when they focus on making a game machine first and foremost.
I'd always heard that Sony made a cost gamble with the PS4s RAM that paid off when the RAM came down in price quicker than some expected. That might be irrelevant to the conversation, sorry.
I disagree. Sony was focused on great silicon design and everything else fell by the wayside. The controller feels cheap and light, its battery is terrible, and both systems sound like wind tunnels. Now that cant be too terrible a decision because they sold 90+ million of them, but in this case, I would take the MS Surface team to design the shell of the next playstation, not Sony.....As long as Cerny is focusing on the silicon.
Thats exactly right and aligns with what I was saying. I assume MS thought that less, faster RAM would bottleneck the PS4 a bit and so each system would have some tradeoffs. Instead Sony got the best of both worlds and 90+ million units later....
Ya'll think a vapour chamber will be necessary this gen, or will 7nm/12nm chips be cool enough to not have such a loud fan? One of my favorite features of the One X is how quiet it is when being pushed to the max (4k native with HDR). It's hardly audible at night when the volume is low and isn't audible at all during the daytime when I got the surround sound going.
Yup! Microsoft consoles no longer play 3rd party games.....which is about 95% of what is released on all consoles.
yeah, but if you have the choice between the console with exclusives + 3rd parties and the console with 3rd parties only, you'll choose the console that has both.
This was proven time and again, all generations saw the Playstation thriving because of the support from both first and third party games.
I would chose the console I could play Halo on, like I have been since 2001. The tons of devs that MS purchased the past 2 years is just icing on the cake. The MS has no games nonsense is nothing but console war fodder.
So you're basically saying that first party exclusives matter.
Saturn had great exclusives, Wii U had great exclusives, Dreamcast had great exclusives. The fact is most people mostly play 3rd parties, especially at launch. Games like Horizon Zero Dawn (my game of the generation) or God of War 4-5 years down the road dont push consoles on day one. And early adopters end up being brand ambassadors to the masses for what is good and what is bad in a generation.
Of course it matters! Saying MS has no games is nonsense and 100% false statement yet its plastered all over these console war threads.
They will tell you they don't care about exclusives and that prefer the X because of the tech. The debate is useless honestly. People choses a console because of their previous experiencies or emotions, not based on a logical aproach.
And yet Microsoft's output has been down the past few years. Even Phil Spencer came out and publicly acknowledged it. Microsoft just bought a bunch of studios as well. You don't do that in response to "nonsense".
You missed my point again. Sony can use better materials but it's more expensive. I bet MS Surface could not do a better job with same manufacturing cost as Sony's. Look how efficient PS4 Slim design is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboAdtPw4bA To quote Benheck: "I'm a big fan of Sony's mechanical design engineering on these consoles..." (7:14) "This plastic case is really integrated. And this is a good system design. This is too good :D"
I found a "leak" on 4chan that sounded believable to me. Shared it on beyond's rumor thread but didn't post it here. It might be console war bait for current atmosphere around here.
Don't know about this one...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_4_video_games
Wii U had a marketing problem, Saturn had a marketing problem and launch problems.
It doesn't boil down ONLY to first party support but they make a difference down the road if everything goes well before.
First xbox and xone are not doing so good despite having excellent 3rd party support, so what's the problem in these cases?
Not sure what this is supposed to show. None of those big ones came out in 13/14/15 except Witcher and thats not exclusive. I'm not about to say Killzone: Shadow falls is a killer exclusive you buy hardware for.
PS4 had no BC.
Users also buy products based on history.
You know you'll get Horizon2, Spiderman2,GOW2 new ND Game etc. with your PS5.
http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/459661965
Zen 7 = Ryzen 7?
Seem to be a Windows PC using the PS5 SOC purely as a GPU.
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Thats great. Most people will only have 2 of those appeal to them. I really only care about HZD and GoW so I can buy that system later when its cheaper and the games are cheaper. Now if it Plays the next AC, Madden, and Titanfall better AND has those exclusives I can buy PS5 first and be happy and pick up Halo and Forza later when its cheaper.
stealth edit: who am i kidding, i get it all day one.....cant resist new tech.
Yeah but most people don't have the money to buy 2 consoles, so this isn't really an option for them.
Fair. but if thats true, and only 2-3 exclusives on either side entice me, but 95% of everything else I play is shared....and I can only get one system....I will get the one that plays 95% of the games better not 5% of the games better. Whichever that system is. This gen, from launch, that was PS4.
You know what Saturn, Dreamcast, and Wii U didn't have to go along with their exclusives? Strong third party support.
It's best to have them both; a wide variety of exclusives, for mature and young audiences, and the support of Japanese and western third parties.
Many consoles have also had a killer exclusive launch game to bolster the platform along with popular multiplatforms, like mario 64, SSX, Halo, and Breath of the Wild.
I understand that, but i'm the opposite.
Let's say the PS4 and XONE switched Specs and the PS4 had the problems with mutiplats including 900P vs 1080P but the game output remained the same, i still would have chosen the Playstation.
Granted i'm one of those people who can't see the difference between 900P and 1080P or 25 vs 30 FPS, so i really don't care about performance.
I don't think we will have the same disparity in quality between the first Party output of both MS and Sony next Gen.
I think both will be plenty powerful enough, the last gens were hamstruck by one being noticeably less powerful than the other (or much harder to tap the power) next time they will be the same ball park.
This gen would have been very different if Sony hadnt got lucky and been able to shove 8gig of ddr5 ram rather than just 2 or 4 they planned for originally
This gen would have been very different if Sony hadnt got lucky and been able to shove 8gig of ddr5 ram rather than just 2 or 4 they planned for originally
Oh they have games all right, just not very good ones. Halo has been mediocre at best since Reach and Gears 4 isn't a patch on the original trilogy. Forza is quality racing but more of the same each release. Outside of them they offer nothing compared to Sony and Nintendo. They need to up it and need to hit the ground running when they do.
You are talking about the whole picture and I agree with you, however I am talking about fanboys who do not recognize facts. Two different things.
Thanks.
http://boards.4channel.org/v/thread/459661965
Zen 7 = Ryzen 7?
Seem to be a Windows PC using the PS5 SOC purely as a GPU.
Also, 64GB ram and 4TB SSD? Weird.
Needs all that ram for running Windows 10, Visual Studio, browser, game, etc.
I'd prefer if we quoted 8Chan. THQNordic posted a juicy interview there.
In all seriousness, it comes down to first party games, third party support and marketing. Simple as that.
Pre-launch marketing absolutely has to be top notch. Look at the Wii U, PS3 and Xbox One. Train wreck Pre-launches and the sales reflected that.
Depends on how good it is.
The real problem for Microsoft is how long it'll take their first party to start delivering and if the end results will be worth it.
Take Obsidian: after they finish The Outer Worlds, when can we realistically expect their first Xbox exclusive? Somewhere in the region of 4-5 years given the calibre of next gen right?
Meanwhile Sony & Nintendo can bank on franchises that are still fresh and have built in fanbases they can easily rely on while also putting out new IP's.
Outer World's is Obsidian's largest project, but not their only one, and they're hiring up already. I don't personally expect Obisidan to deliver AAA games with a 400 person team. Outer Worlds is low-mid budget and won't even remotely rival the scope of an Assassin's Creed type major release, or even a Fallout 4 sized release.
I think we can expect smaller games from Ninja Theory and Obsidian and inXile before the end of 2021. That might even just be something like Pillars of Eternity 3: This Time It's On Console From Launch Edition, so I'm not expecting major heavy hitters.
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