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lacer

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,693
so i caught a thing on NPR the other day mentioning Healy was going after Perdue in the war on opiates, and the following particulars on Twitter kinda caught my eye:

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the whole thing is worth reading through imo
 

Vilix

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Oct 25, 2017
6,055
Texas
Of course they didn't. This is big pharma. They put in three times more into marketing than actual research. They have the biggest lobbying group in Washington. Second only to the gun lobby. They charge at least a 10,000% mark up in the US.
 

TheMadTitan

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Oct 27, 2017
27,246
I used to take them when my back pain was at its peak. Even then, I used them sparingly.

Shit is strong; it's hard to believe no one knew how easily they could be abused.
 

Squid Lord

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Nov 28, 2017
309
This fucking pisses me off so much because my cousin's life was practically ruined by his addiction to oxy. He struggled getting off it and it only led to him doing other drugs to cope.
 

johan

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Oct 29, 2017
1,554
This shit fucking happens while mdma and psilocybin and such need to go through a very rigorous process before even being considered as medicine

bullshit
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
THIS IS HOW THE UBER RICH BECOME THE UBER RICH

THEY'RE LITERALLY KILLING YOUR FAMILY FOR CASH

THEY PAY POLITICIANS TO TELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULD LET THEM KILL YOU

STOP DEFENDING THEM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
 

Kapryov

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,144
Australia
When profit is more important than human rights and health, and there are no laws to protect you from it.
Nobody here is really surprised at the truth.

Capitalism, ho!
 

Snack12367

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,191
It's the story of Opioids. You look back throughout the history of that type of drug and you see a recurring pattern.

Cocaine, Meth, Morphine were all advertised as non-addictive substances. The difference is that now, we're meant to have government regulations to stop this sort of thing, but it seems like we've encountered a failure to either implement or enforce these regulations.
 

Deleted member 9838

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Oct 26, 2017
2,773
Yeah of course they knew. It's basically heroin. The biggest drug dealers in the US are big pharma. Why no criminal investigation against this industry? All the powerful medications are just clean versions of street drugs. Adderall = meth, oxy = heroin, etc. These fucks will soon find a way to make psychedelics their inventions for profit when they are finally exposed for how deadly their SSRIs and xanax is.
 

Deleted member 8197

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Oct 26, 2017
1,340
Their liability is for understating how easy it is to abuse. They've paid hundreds of millions in fines based on that.

You can't go after the company for 'killing people'. It'd be like trying to prosecute an arms company for murder after someone bought a handgun and shot themselves with it.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
15,191
You can't go after the company for 'killing people'. It'd be like trying to prosecute an arms company for murder after someone bought a handgun and shot themselves with it.
I am absolutely open to prosecuting arms manufacturers.

Our legal system clearly doesn't work in the interest of the people when doing this is legal.
 

Maledict

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Oct 25, 2017
4,086
Their liability is for understating how easy it is to abuse. They've paid hundreds of millions in fines based on that.

You can't go after the company for 'killing people'. It'd be like trying to prosecute an arms company for murder after someone bought a handgun and shot themselves with it.

Um, when the company has deliberately and will fully concealed the harm its products cause? Absolutely you can. We've already done it with tobacco after all.
 

samoyed

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Oct 26, 2017
15,191
Um, when the company has deliberately and will fully concealed the harm its products cause? Absolutely you can. We've already done it with tobacco after all.
In fairness this did not kill the tobacco industry. Dampened its profits somewhat but it's still a multi-billion dollar industry.
 

Deleted member 8197

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Oct 26, 2017
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Um, when the company has deliberately and will fully concealed the harm its products cause? Absolutely you can. We've already done it with tobacco after all.
Oxy, used as intended, will not kill you. It's no more likely to make you an addict than any other opoid based pain relief.

It was marketed as a safe way to deliver long term pain relief based on the pill being coated, meaning a relatively high dose was released over a long period of time if used as directed. All it takes to abuse this is to break the pill casing. Knowing this fact they still chose to aggressively market it as a safe product.

It's scummy, but it's not murder.
 

Umbrella Carp

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Jan 16, 2019
3,265
The Pharmaceutical industry deserves to be nuked from orbit. Between this and their continual lobbying to keep the drug war raging at the cost of thousands of lives.....I mean Plutocracy almost feels too polite a description.
 

Stop It

Bad Cat
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Oct 25, 2017
6,352
So let me get this straight:

This guy wanted to peddle addictive opioids to people on an uncontrolled basis.

Then when people got addicted to these sorts of drugs, he wanted exclusive rights rights on a method to control the addiction he helped set into motion?

And America tries lecture the world on healthcare and screams about the dangers of "socialised medicine".

Yeah, I'd take the NHS over this evil every day.
 

Red

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Oct 26, 2017
11,698
I feel like none of this is new information. It's good to have it out there but it seems like "pharma execs are the scum of the earth" is a truism at this point. There are good people working on pharmaceuticals, trying to develop new and novel treatments for the people who need them. But the folks at the top, the folks in charge of marketing and sales, are morally bankrupt and represent the worst of humanity.
 

AaronD

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Dec 1, 2017
3,261
Yes because the government allowed them to sell heroin legally by deceiving millions just by renaming it.
 

TheGhost

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Oct 25, 2017
28,137
Long Island
Yeah of course they knew. It's basically heroin. The biggest drug dealers in the US are big pharma. Why no criminal investigation against this industry? All the powerful medications are just clean versions of street drugs. Adderall = meth, oxy = heroin, etc. These fucks will soon find a way to make psychedelics their inventions for profit when they are finally exposed for how deadly their SSRIs and xanax is.
Eh Xanax at low doses during in case of emergency scenarios is a life saver to me.
 

Manmademan

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Aug 6, 2018
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In fairness this did not kill the tobacco industry. Dampened its profits somewhat but it's still a multi-billion dollar industry.

"Dampened its profits somewhat" is grossly understating it.

In the 1960s (when the tobacco industry was at its peak) about 42% of the country smoked regularly.

By 2005 that had dropped to 20%, and is estimated to be about 14% now and continues to decline as older smokers die off.

In addition "who still smokes" in the US is heavily segregated along economic lines. It's basically become a hobby only the poor engage in regularly.

The tobacco industry got completely devastated by regulation, and heavily relies on overseas markets like China that lack the regulation of the US to remain profitable. Its a shadow of what it used to be.
 

Mivey

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Oct 25, 2017
17,826
THIS IS HOW THE UBER RICH BECOME THE UBER RICH

THEY'RE LITERALLY KILLING YOUR FAMILY FOR CASH

THEY PAY POLITICIANS TO TELL YOU WHY YOU SHOULD LET THEM KILL YOU

STOP DEFENDING THEM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Look, what if one day I get the chance of making a killing (by killing poor people) ? The government shouldn't take away our freedom to scam and be scammed. Clearly, if almost all of their customers kept dying, then there would be no one left to buy the product, and they would go bankrupt. The invisible hand of the free market (with its invisible knife that goes *stab* *stab* *stab*) can regulate this itself.
 
As they say, behind every great fortune is a great crime.

In most cases you don't build a corporate empire without being some degree of sociopathic or diabolical. Because at that level your decisions affect the lies of millions, and human lives get in the way of the scale of profit that is requiring to grow a corporation that has gotten too large.

When it comes to pure capitalism, regulation is literally a matter of life and death.
 

TheGhost

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Oct 25, 2017
28,137
Long Island
If you're taking under a competent doctor's order it's reasonably safe but it can be easily abused and has been over prescribed.
Don't got to tell me, I lost a lot of friends to Xanax, but they were coke heads before they started with muscle relaxers/pain pills. I dont even see what the benefits of abusing Xanax would be. What's the appeal, I take the smallest avsible dose on the market, break it in half and then if I close my eyes i would be knocked out for hours.