Off topic but do you know if anyone was able to get controllers working with Quake RTX? It’s the only reason I haven’t played it. I know you can do it via steam big picture (I think that’s it), but I read it wasn’t very good.If you have a Turing card I'd highly recommend Quake 2 RTX. Impressive how good the level design holds up to this day and the lighting and shadows are just mind blowingly good.
On topic: glad I saw this thread before buying the game, I was planning on picking it up on sale after seeing it on Digital Foundry. Removed it from my wishlist earlier today. Fuck these devs, the context from their Discord chat just makes everything even worse IMO.
Well, you're certainly not the only self-professed socialist/anarchist/far-left figure on the site, in fact we even have a socialist OT.About the only Marxist here is me. Didn’t we have like three different threads last month proving this?
It's all over Twitter if you follow the right people (though a few are sub-tweeting about it, rather than explicitly mentioning it). Unfortunately, I think that few journalists/sites are going to care. This is coming close on the heels of the Ooblets dev's being abused, which will probably make some places gun-shy about "This dev said some inflammatory things", and "Game dev saying shitty things/being an awful person" is rarely news anyways.In the end this is just stuff some people said on their own Discord server, some of it months old. I doubt games journos hang around indie dev's servers and read them all on the off chance someone shits the bed, so I imagine this won't get much momentum unless folks reach out to them. Plenty of them on Era, could also drop them a line on Twitter.
It's not so much the separating the author from the art. It's more about the "stupid outrage bullshit" quote that stuck out to me.Of course Cliffy B is in favor of people separating the author from the art. No one would've bought his games otherwise :>)
Are you surprised? I think often people here overestimate ResetEra's influence.So I just googled "Ion Fury" and there doesn't seem like anyone is picking up on the story?
I am no hardliner on this matter. I think civil discourse can work with some individuals, but will fail with others. In the case of these developers, we have screenshots of two people trying to calmly explain to them their misconceptions regarding trans people, only to be dismissed and insulted by other members of the Discord. These people are not willing to better themselves.For certain the stuff that has been said by some of the devs has been truly awful and condemnable. But the amount of "eat shit and die" style posts in this thread is kind of worrisome for a place that about discussing games. People can keep yelling at each other that being offensive about offensive stuff is okay but it certainly makes people with different opinions listening to you way less likely.
Yup, but the main audience of this thread are not the devs of Iron Fury.I am no hardliner on this matter. I think civil discourse can work with some individuals, but will fail with others. In the case of these developers, we have screenshots of two people trying to calmly explain to them their misconceptions regarding trans people, only to be dismissed and insulted by other members of the Discord. These people are not willing to better themselves.
No tolerance for bigotry is the way to go, to be honest. A recurrent topic in US PoliERA is that racists get more upset by being called racist, than their actual racist viewpoints. Same applies here - if someone is more upset about the language used towards them than by their own awful views, then there's clearly something wrong with their ability to self-reflect on those views. And ignorance has no place here - it's not a big ask to just accept trans people for who they are.For certain the stuff that has been said by some of the devs has been truly awful and condemnable. But the amount of "eat shit and die" style posts in this thread is kind of worrisome for a place that about discussing games. People can keep yelling at each other that being offensive about offensive stuff is okay but it certainly makes people with different opinions listening to you way less likely.
Imagine going FUCK YEAH BREXIT lmao
Ah, you mean the main audience of this thread is the suicidal low post accounts created in 2017 or the guy posting #trump2020. Nah, fuck these people.Yup, but the main audience of this thread are not the devs of Iron Fury.
Oh no.As far as separating artist from art, we all played Bloodborne right? I think a lot of people do that, quite often - whether we like it or not.
Well it is the weekend so there probably won't be anything till Monday. On the other hand after the games media handling of the THQ/8chan business I'm not exactly expecting the media to do a good job on this one.So I just googled "Ion Fury" and there doesn't seem like anyone is picking up on the story?
I'm sure he'll soar to radical heights by being such a lawbreaker.Cliff is and will always be an idiot. Stay under your rock you fucking coward.
And they wontSo I just googled "Ion Fury" and there doesn't seem like anyone is picking up on the story?
Trans people being treated as equal human beings is a "political view"?I don't agree with their polticial views, but I'll be honest, some of you folks do seem to get off on rage and accusations.
Lovecraft died in 1937. lmaoWell, not him - outside of his inability to solve From Software's terrible work conditions.
But I'm more talking about H.P. Lovecraft. And how the game was clearly inspired by his work.
Cliffy saying "separating art from artist" wasn't what bothered me. It was him saying "stupid outrage bullshit" that bothered me.
Can I not be angry that someone thinks trans people are lesser human beings?I don't agree with their polticial views, but I'll be honest, some of you folks do seem to get off on rage and accusations.
hashtags don't work when they have spaces in themI know this place has fallen so much it’s become a Marxist echo chamber. They’ve defended pedo’s masquerading as trans, defended Antifar and only care about outrage.
I don’t give a fuck about somebody’s feelings trans or not and fuck off with this give up my liberty’s just so I can’t offend anyone, or heaven help me I assume somebody’s gender.
I often imagine that reset is like that DSA conference where the guy dressed like a superhero goes nuts because someone used gendered language OMG how fucking dare someone the word He/She.
Get a fucking life you bunch of SJW’s.
#trump2020
#getfukdera
#brexit forever
Btw the devs were right. Look at u all circle jerking with your hate boners haha this place is fucking stupid
I think this is a bi of a stretch. Yeah, Lovecraft inspired Bloodborne, but we're not playing a game that financially supports the estate of Lovecraft. Like, The Two Jakes is the sequel to Chinatown, but if we watch it, we're not supporting the director of Chinatown, we're supporting the director of The Two Jakes.Well, not him - outside of his inability to solve From Software's terrible work conditions.
But I'm more talking about H.P. Lovecraft. And how the game was clearly inspired by his work.
No. Tolerance. For. Bigotry. It ain't hard to understand - their views aren't something relatively benign like "I support tax cuts for the middle class", they're hostile to a section of the population.I don't agree with their polticial views, but I'll be honest, some of you folks do seem to get off on rage and accusations.
I didn't consider the Ooblets debacle but it's also a fair point. Even if I doubt Voidpoint would face one tenth of the backlash or abuse the Ooblets devs did. A dev having extremely ass backwards views on trans rights and vaccination with some extremely questionable twitter follows and responses on the side and just being all-around bigoted is a 5 at best on the mainstream gamer outrage scale. A dev not only taking a deal almost too good to be true to make their game exclusive to the Epic Store, but being snarky about the way they announce it? Gamers with rise. The. Fuck. Up.It's all over Twitter if you follow the right people (though a few are sub-tweeting about it, rather than explicitly mentioning it). Unfortunately, I think that few journalists/sites are going to care. This is coming close on the heels of the Ooblets dev's being abused, which will probably make some places gun-shy about "This dev said some inflammatory things", and "Game dev saying shitty things/being an awful person" is rarely news anyways.
Case in point.Trans people being treated as equal human beings is a "political view"?
Well speaking for myself I was lurking in the topic that got posted on how was the first woman lead fps in ages discounting any games like Metroid Prime, Wolfenstein, or Dishonored. TC also ignored any posts pointing out the devs non progressive nature and dismissed that Duke nukem but a woman is not really progressive. So I guess that topic made me more interested in this whole thing.The incredible part is there are more people who liked or were excited by the game in question upset about this, meanwhile almost all of the defenders of the devs terrible behavior have demonstrated no interest or knowledge of the game.
Give me a SINGLE example of Bloodborne endorsing Lovecraft's racist views.Well, not him - outside of his inability to solve From Software's terrible work conditions.
But I'm more talking about H.P. Lovecraft. And how the game was clearly inspired by his work.
Cliffy saying "separating art from artist" wasn't what bothered me. It was him saying "stupid outrage bullshit" that bothered me.
Got a link for that? It doesn't seem to be in any of the posts in the reply chain I was answering to.because Harlequin decided that this was trenchant to women reclaiming sexualised wear in slut walk protests
I'm sure people will understand that I can't just not reply when others keep trying to paint me
Take it from someone whose job revolves around choosing when to reply or not reply. Sometimes, not replying is fine! Listening, acknowledging, taking a deep breath, confronting our own cognitive dissonance. That may seem insane in a world full of likes and replies and spiraling threads, but, seriously, sometimes your "reputation" will be in better shape if you DON'T rush to defend yourself or explain where you're coming from.
So... You came in here to post "both sides are bad"?Case in point.
I don't agree with whatever label you want to give that statement.
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.But I'm more talking about H.P. Lovecraft. And how the game was clearly inspired by his work.
You don|'t have have to tolerate that kind of shit but you can still and should engage in a civilized disucssion in this forum and report problematic posts to the mods.No. Tolerance. For. Bigotry. It ain't hard to understand - their views aren't something relatively benign like "I support tax cuts for the middle class", they're actively hostile to a section of the population.
If I like Marxism, does that mean Marxism is not Marxism? *head explodes*
I think people get upset when their (or their friends) validity is called into question.You don|'t have have to tolerate that kind of shit but you can still and should engage in a civilized disucssion in this forum and report problematic posts to the mods.
We recently found out we are all Marxist and are trying to come to terms with it.
Sadly I'm still on Pascal :( Doom Eternal looks dope at least! :DIf you have a Turing card I'd highly recommend Quake 2 RTX. Impressive how good the level design holds up to this day and the lighting and shadows are just mind blowingly good.
On topic: glad I saw this thread before buying the game, I was planning on picking it up on sale after seeing it on Digital Foundry. Removed it from my wishlist earlier today. Fuck these devs, the context from their Discord chat just makes everything even worse IMO.
Evergreen Zwarte Piet thread gif.
I'll translate: "Transphobia is bad but you people being mean to the transphobes are really the ones with the issues,"I don't agree with their polticial views, but I'll be honest, some of you folks do seem to get off on rage and accusations.
Just wanted to say that this was the perfect response and it really helped me put my thoughts in order.Takes like these are always the worst. I used to assume they came from a legitimate place but idk anymore.
What what hearts and minds are we trying to get in this case? The people in Discord who were in their own loop of transphobic bigoted running commentary, who, after being called out, instead of apologizing or offering any semblance of reticence whined about how they were being taken out of context and then provided the exact same context that was initially given, and then ran back to Discord to complain and offer autism as an excuse for bigotry?
Are we supposed to just endless protect the egos of grown adults who willfully and maliciously target vulnerable populations? And notice how the dialogue is always about massaging and protecting the egos of bigots, based on some naive hope of pulling them back from the brink, and never about the people that they harm.
Let's be realistic.Ugh. For those among us that watch the streamer DansGaming, he just found out about the controversy via steam reviews, made an off-hand remark about the 'politics' of the few reviews mentioning the devs' transphobia, and proceeded to buy the game. He is playing it right now. I am so disappointed. I subbed to this guy previously. Now I unfollowed. Bleh.
I doubt most people even know. I wouldn't have known if I didn't use this forum and only mentioned it to a friend who was interested. Have any news outlets mentioned it yet?Let's be realistic.
The most Gamers People doesn't care what the problem the Devs.
.................El Oshcuro is David Oshry who runs New Blood Games...Their official Discord is a hive of this shit lol. Seems obvious the company they like to keep.
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