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Ion Fury devs show signs of transphobia among other issues. [Update: Voidpoint apologizes in statement, see threadmarks]
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Off topic but do you know if anyone was able to get controllers working with Quake RTX? It's the only reason I haven't played it. I know you can do it via steam big picture (I think that's it), but I read it wasn't very good.
On topic, I'm passing on this game because of all this. I never followed it but it did look cool and GMG had it for $18, but nah I'll pass!!
Well, you're certainly not the only self-professed socialist/anarchist/far-left figure on the site, in fact we even have a socialist OT.
It's all over Twitter if you follow the right people (though a few are sub-tweeting about it, rather than explicitly mentioning it). Unfortunately, I think that few journalists/sites are going to care. This is coming close on the heels of the Ooblets dev's being abused, which will probably make some places gun-shy about "This dev said some inflammatory things", and "Game dev saying shitty things/being an awful person" is rarely news anyways.
For certain the stuff that has been said by some of the devs has been truly awful and condemnable. But the amount of "eat shit and die" style posts in this thread is kind of worrisome for a place that about discussing games. People can keep yelling at each other that being offensive about offensive stuff is okay but it certainly makes people with different opinions listening to you way less likely.
It's not so much the separating the author from the art. It's more about the "stupid outrage bullshit" quote that stuck out to me.
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Some Rando Gamer every 5 or so posts: Ah the witch hunt has started I see and over something as minor as rabid transphobia? How typical (Smugly pushes up glasses)
Are you surprised? I think often people here overestimate ResetEra's influence.
He'll probably make a Twitter post about how stupid Era is or something and cherry pick the quotes needed while at the same time doubling down on his crap.
It's weird the lengths that some will go to continue doing things their way.
It's weird the lengths that some will go to continue doing things their way.
I am no hardliner on this matter. I think civil discourse can work with some individuals, but will fail with others. In the case of these developers, we have screenshots of two people trying to calmly explain to them their misconceptions regarding trans people, only to be dismissed and insulted by other members of the Discord. These people are not willing to better themselves.
Yup, but the main audience of this thread are not the devs of Iron Fury.
No tolerance for bigotry is the way to go, to be honest. A recurrent topic in US PoliERA is that racists get more upset by being called racist, than their actual racist viewpoints. Same applies here - if someone is more upset about the language used towards them than by their own awful views, then there's clearly something wrong with their ability to self-reflect on those views. And ignorance has no place here - it's not a big ask to just accept trans people for who they are.
This is what you think badass looks like?
Imagine going FUCK YEAH BREXIT lmao
Idiot (the guy that self destructed)
Ah, you mean the main audience of this thread is the suicidal low post accounts created in 2017 or the guy posting #trump2020. Nah, fuck these people.
Well it is the weekend so there probably won't be anything till Monday. On the other hand after the games media handling of the THQ/8chan business I'm not exactly expecting the media to do a good job on this one.
Cliffy saying "separating art from artist" wasn't what bothered me. It was him saying "stupid outrage bullshit" that bothered me and why I linked his tweets.
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I'm sure he'll soar to radical heights by being such a lawbreaker.
Oh, I forgot. Oops.
Trans people being treated as equal human beings is a "political view"?
Lovecraft died in 1937. lmaoWell, not him - outside of his inability to solve From Software's terrible work conditions.
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But I'm more talking about H.P. Lovecraft. And how the game was clearly inspired by his work.
Cliffy saying "separating art from artist" wasn't what bothered me. It was him saying "stupid outrage bullshit" that bothered me.
Can I not be angry that someone thinks trans people are lesser human beings?
Well, not him - outside of his inability to solve From Software's terrible work conditions.
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But I'm more talking about H.P. Lovecraft. And how the game was clearly inspired by his work.
I think this is a bi of a stretch. Yeah, Lovecraft inspired Bloodborne, but we're not playing a game that financially supports the estate of Lovecraft. Like, The Two Jakes is the sequel to Chinatown, but if we watch it, we're not supporting the director of Chinatown, we're supporting the director of The Two Jakes.
No. Tolerance. For. Bigotry. It ain't hard to understand - their views aren't something relatively benign like "I support tax cuts for the middle class", they're hostile to a section of the population.
I didn't consider the Ooblets debacle but it's also a fair point. Even if I doubt Voidpoint would face one tenth of the backlash or abuse the Ooblets devs did. A dev having extremely ass backwards views on trans rights and vaccination with some extremely questionable twitter follows and responses on the side and just being all-around bigoted is a 5 at best on the mainstream gamer outrage scale. A dev not only taking a deal almost too good to be true to make their game exclusive to the Epic Store, but being snarky about the way they announce it? Gamers with rise. The. Fuck. Up.
What a timeline.
Case in point.
I don't agree with whatever label you want to give that statement.
Well speaking for myself I was lurking in the topic that got posted on how was the first woman lead fps in ages discounting any games like Metroid Prime, Wolfenstein, or Dishonored. TC also ignored any posts pointing out the devs non progressive nature and dismissed that Duke nukem but a woman is not really progressive. So I guess that topic made me more interested in this whole thing.
Fuck these guys. Just digging there own graves too. Seriously why is it so hard to get a PR person?!
The main character of the game is foreigner, something that would be antithetical to his worldview.
Give me a SINGLE example of Bloodborne endorsing Lovecraft's racist views.Well, not him - outside of his inability to solve From Software's terrible work conditions.
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But I'm more talking about H.P. Lovecraft. And how the game was clearly inspired by his work.
Cliffy saying "separating art from artist" wasn't what bothered me. It was him saying "stupid outrage bullshit" that bothered me.
The main character of the game is foreigner, something that would be antithetical to his worldview.
Got a link for that? It doesn't seem to be in any of the posts in the reply chain I was answering to.
Edit: I see that was in a comment by one of the devs. I don't interpret Harlequin as agreeing with that comment, but rather a different tangent about gendered dress codes.
Take it from someone whose job revolves around choosing when to reply or not reply. Sometimes, not replying is fine! Listening, acknowledging, taking a deep breath, confronting our own cognitive dissonance. That may seem insane in a world full of likes and replies and spiraling threads, but, seriously, sometimes your "reputation" will be in better shape if you DON'T rush to defend yourself or explain where you're coming from.
This is as much a message to you as to anyone else in this thread, including myself.
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Consider that 1984 is directly influenced by European totalitarian regimes of the time. You have to be in order to criticize a subject. So you can be inspired by something and be totally ideologically opposed to it, create work that is totally ideologically opposed to it, and act against its benefit.
You don|'t have have to tolerate that kind of shit but you can still and should engage in a civilized disucssion in this forum and report problematic posts to the mods.
"Marxist echo chamber"
If I like Marxism, does that mean Marxism is not Marxism? *head explodes*
I think people get upset when their (or their friends) validity is called into question.
We recently found out we are all Marxist and are trying to come to terms with it.
Sadly I'm still on Pascal :( Doom Eternal looks dope at least! :D
Yeah I'll be sure to never buy this game now and never support whatever the devs attempt in the future. Maybe, just maaaaaaaaaybe, learn how to accept and love people and not be a terrible person. If I learn one of my friends are interested in the game, I'll be sure to tell them this so that they can make an informed decision.
Evergreen Zwarte Piet thread gif.This thread keeps on going with these idiots.
I'll translate: "Transphobia is bad but you people being mean to the transphobes are really the ones with the issues,"
Just wanted to say that this was the perfect response and it really helped me put my thoughts in order.
I used to think this kind of dialogue was legit as well, but it quickly dawned on me that something was inherently wrong with it. When it comes to dealing with people like the Voidpoint devs, I don't condone harassment, abuse or crime (e.g. piracy), but there's no way you can simply turn the other cheek and hope that a gentle word here and there will change them for the better.
At best, it's naive. At worst it's straight up deflection and trivialises the issue at hand.
Let's be realistic.
The most Gamers People doesn't care what the problem the Devs.
I doubt most people even know. I wouldn't have known if I didn't use this forum and only mentioned it to a friend who was interested. Have any news outlets mentioned it yet?
Another developer to avoid.
Not only are they hateful shitbags, but they're also dumbasses for continually digging themselves deeper.
Not only are they hateful shitbags, but they're also dumbasses for continually digging themselves deeper.
.................El Oshcuro is David Oshry who runs New Blood Games...Their official Discord is a hive of this shit lol. Seems obvious the company they like to keep.
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