Run government like a trump business
Run government like a trump business
I guarantee you black folks have had it worse than white Iowans in most metrics across this country's history and they still didn't vote for Trump.Gotta have a sense of moral superiority towards desperate people who were collectively lied to, subject to years of propaganda and poor education.
This is just them asking for subsidies, once the Government gives in they'll vote Republican again.
Nah, we need like 70,000
See, I totally get what you're saying, and I wont deny that there is a danger of some level of general moral smugness going on here, and I say that even regarding my own personal reactions to this story, but as someone who grew up deep in the culture and influences that you are describing, I cant say that my heart bleeds for grown ass adults who made the conscious choice to vote for a racist oompa-loompa just because he coddled them with rhetoric that fed directly into their worst tendencies. At what point do we have a responsibility to confront people with their choices and the fact that they made wrong decisions? I know that if I personally hadn't been challenged in never would grown out of that mindset.Mostly elitism and a lack of acknowledgement that people in this demographic were culturally brainwashed and deliberately misinformed using targeted ads and inaccurate reporting on social media. Gotta have a sense of moral superiority towards desperate people who were collectively lied to, subject to years of propaganda and poor education.
Yup. They say this now, but let's revisit this in a year.They will.
And they'll take the government handout with an ear-to-ear smile.
Why are people in this thread acting as if Iowa isn't a swing state? Why write off potential votes?
This is just them asking for subsidies, once the Government gives in they'll vote Republican again.
Not only is Iowa considered a swing state but it's actually voted for the Democrat for president in every election since 1988 besides 2004 and 2016 (and Bush just barely won in 2004 by less than 1%). 2016 was an outlier in recent Iowa Presidential voting history.
Yep. Fuck them, hope these tariffs destroy them.
Yep.They will.
And they'll take the government handout with an ear-to-ear smile.
I guarantee you black folks have had it worse than white Iowans in most metrics across this country's history and they still didn't vote for Trump.
What is the difference?
See, I totally get what you're saying, and I wont deny that there is a danger of some level of general moral smugness going on here, and I say that even regarding my own personal reactions to this story, but as someone who grew up deep in the culture and influences that you are describing, I cant say that my heart bleeds for grown ass adults who made the conscious choice to vote for a racist oompa-loompa just because he coddled them with rhetoric that fed directly into their worst tendencies. At what point do we have a responsibility to confront people with their choices and the fact that they made wrong decisions? I know that if I personally hadn't been challenged in never would grown out of that mindset.
Yep, so no lie detected.
Not sure why articles like this make you so angry, if there's enough sentiment like this that the media is doing stories on it I think that's a good thing for 2020. Sure not everyone will switch to the Democrat running but some will.So if they voted for Trump they should STFU then. Media really needs to stop putting out these fluff pieces trying to get sympathy from the general population in regards to Republicans getting screwed over. They don't deserve any sympathy.
most republicans like many or possibly most democrats approach an election knowing they'll simply do a all red or all blue ticket. the parties are so far apart that the thought is "any red is better than a blue." and vice versa. they'll vote for him again in 2020. maybe a few will actually take a stand but it won't be a meaningful number.
What opportunity is there to really seize though?Of course they have.
Don't think I'm condoning what they've done. But you also have to seize opportunities like this, not just for the sake of these communities, but also for future generations in these areas and the sheer pragmatism of using them against the opposition in the next election.
Fuck these racist Republican assholesNot only is Iowa considered a swing state but it's actually voted for the Democrat for president in every election since 1988 besides 2004 and 2016 (and Bush just barely won in 2004 by less than 1%). 2016 was an outlier in recent Iowa Presidential voting history.
I guess I'm just deeply conflicted, since I can see, from my own personal experience, the reality that people can in fact be pulled from that mindset, but at the same time my own personal experience also shows me how many people of that community are simply lost. As frustrated as they may be with Trump, their greater values will never allows them to vote for anyone with a D next to their name. It doesn't matter how much they vote against their own self interest or against the well-being of others, party lines have simply become the ultimate moral truth.I'm from Missouri. I know exactly what you're saying, and I wouldn't have changed if I weren't challenged either. But here's the thing: what a lot of people do in threads like this? Isn't challenging anyone, it's basically patting each other on the shoulder and indulging schadenfreude. You don't have to forgive racism or say that privilege doesn't exist to address the root causes of this stuff. Regardless of inequality, a problem is still a problem, and you address problems. But too many people on the left are too unwilling to write off the south and the midwest, which in addition to refusing to take advantage of people who might be drawn to the left, also ignores the minorities and inequality present in those communities.
You campaign everywhere. You take action everywhere. Hold whatever opinions of these people you want for their past decisions, and always hold them to task if they renege on their claims like this, but the fact that these people are openly expressing dissatisfaction with Trump is both a good thing AND an opportunity that is being ignored. By all means, speak out about the social injustices of middle america, confront people on racism and their choices, but it's also still our responsibility to make inroads in such communities so they can be corrected.
What opportunity is there to really seize though?
Democrats lost conservative whites forever with the signage of the Civil Rights Act. The reason Trump even got into office in the first place is because of a longstanding consistent foundation of hatred and apathy for minorities, which in turn has been a consistent foundation of this country's very existence.
There is nothing to actually seize because the cards have been laid bare for decades now. Centrists who needed a literal kick in the ass to see that sometimes not every political side is equivalent in veracity may or may not vote Democrat next year (although given Iowa's history it's likely they'll come away from Republican fuckery this time). Conservatives are gone forever. We should instead be energizing the bases we already have, and stop sacrificing their grievances to appease whites who will happily fuck minorities over in one or two cycles anyway.
I guess I'm just deeply conflicted, since I can see, from my own personal experience, the reality that people can in fact be pulled from that mindset, but at the same time my own personal experience also shows me how many people of that community are simply lost. As frustrated as they may be with Trump, their greater values will never allows them to vote for anyone with a D next to their name. It doesn't matter how much they vote against their own self interest or against the well-being of others, party lines have simply become the ultimate moral truth.
these people will fall in line as soon as they see others suffering more. my guess is that trump does massive immigration sweeps around election time and they will fall over themselves to vote for trump again.Stuff like this and rust belt workers sold lies gives me confidence that trump will lose in 2020. There simply isn't a way for trump to win if Pennsylvania and Ohio are blue.