Here's an article when Obama still had 2 years till his presidency ended on How Iran was heavily involved in Syria.Yeah, Iran's the one "damaging and destabilizing the Middle East." You tell 'em.
Iran boosts support to Syria
Here's an article when Obama still had 2 years till his presidency ended on How Iran was heavily involved in Syria.Yeah, Iran's the one "damaging and destabilizing the Middle East." You tell 'em.
The treaty was nullified in 2015 so why would Iran care about it in 2019..?
Funny you don't mention how the Saudi, Russia or the US involvement affected the country.Here's an article when Obama still had 2 years till his presidency ended on How Iran was heavily involved in Syria.
Iran boosts support to Syria
Yeah, brain fart.You mean 2018 right? Last year when Trump pulled out? It didn't even go into effect until 2016.
Yes, Whataboutism.Funny you don't mention how the Saudi, Russia or the US involvement affected the country.
And lets talk about other countries other Syria. Who was it that invaded Afghanistan and was supported by a certain country in the middle east while doing so? Or how about when the western countries attacked Iran to install a puppet that lead to a series of events that brought the current government over there? Or hell, a recent war like Iraq war. That's their fault am I right?
But sure, Iran is the reason the middle east is the way it is.
2014, huh? That far back?Here's an article when Obama still had 2 years till his presidency ended on How Iran was heavily involved in Syria.
Iran boosts support to Syria
Funny you don't mention how the Saudi, Russia or the US involvement affected the country.
And lets talk about other countries other Syria. Who was it that invaded Afghanistan and was supported by a certain country in the middle east while doing so? Or how about when the western countries attacked Iran to install a puppet that lead to a series of events that brought the current government over there? Or hell, a recent war like Iraq war. That's their fault am I right?
But sure, Iran is the reason the middle east is the way it is.
Here's an article when Obama still had 2 years till his presidency ended on How Iran was heavily involved in Syria.
Iran boosts support to Syria
Accusations of Whataboutism doesn't mean their point is wrong lol
You probably need to go back earlier than 2014 to find out why the Middle East is destabilised.
Your point was wrong. Own up to it.
I don't disagree.How about we just say everyone sucks here? I can not wait until the oil dries up and Iran and Saudi Arabia can figure it out on their own. They're regional rivals and they're both vying for control of the Middle East. There are no good guys here.
Hahahahaha! Ok buddy! 😂😂😂How many times have you edited this?
You seem to live in this fictional world where Iran is some evil bad guy, when in reality they are acting as reasonable state actor considering the circumstances.
You clearly don't know the history of the region, or USA/CIA interference or Israelis 20 odd years of threats and begging America to destroy Iran, nope Iran is the bad guy here.
First the quote. I'll put stock in the guardian over any American source when it comes to "wipe Israel off the map" for obvious reasons I wouldn't trust any Israeli source either.
It's a quote that has been mistranslate, misquoted and taken out of context by pro Israeli media that people actually believe the lie. Unfortunately right wing media is powerful.
Second Iran while not perfect was trying democracy and wanted to nationalise the oil. CIA didn't like that so they installed a brutal shah dictator. America turned Iran into the crazy republic you see today.
USA egged I'm iraq to invade Iran causing one of the most costly wars in human life on this planet while at the same time sold weapons to both countries.
Israel begged bush to invade Iraq and Iran, bush and his neo cons promises Israel that Iran would be next but due to Iraq being a disaster and insane blow back, invading Iran was out on hold. That was earl 2000s, republicans and Israel have been waiting 20 years to destroy Iran.
As far as I'm aware Iran has never invaded anyone. USA has many bases that surround Iran, has a government and Israeli governemrnt that weekly talks about destroying or bombing Iran. Assassinates Iranian citizens on Iranian soil. Has economically isolated Iran since 1979 because the USA is still salty that Iran said fuck you our oil is for us.
You see where I'm going with this? You talk about Iran's attitude when it's Iran that needs something ie a nuclear weapon to stop what happened to Iraq to happen to them. Seeking protection against the USA fucking your country up is rational thought process.
There is little doubt that even before the deal's existence, Iran was violating its terms.
It's likely that Iran would abandon their nuclear program if they were sure that it would make them safe from foreign destabilizing actions or invasion. Since history has shown that abandoning your WMD ambitions does not provide safety they're in a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation that they and the signatories of the deal were trying to balance. Your three options for Iran are hard for them for different reasons. No 1 for economic reasons and no 2 since appeasement towards the US didn't work for their neighbor. That pretty much leaves option number 3 even though it is a bad option. Basically their house is on fire but the only thing they have is gasoline so obviously they will try to use it.They have three main options - They can do nothing and wait it out, they can engage in behavior that attempts to make the situation better, or they can actively try to make the entire situation worse (specifically for themselves). So far Iran has gone head-first into the last option.
It's completely fair to blame the US for leaving the deal, but Iran is responsible for how they respond. Right now, basically Iran's house is on fire, and they're trying to put it out with gasoline.
Iran having nukes would be terrifyingly. Israel would constantly be threatened. By the time the sanctions are applied it'll be too late to stop them.
Iran having nukes would be terrifyingly. Israel would constantly be threatened. By the time the sanctions are applied it'll be too late to stop them.
2014, huh? That far back?
Try to educate yourself on why is it that Iran would ally themselves with the Assad regime in the first place. Here's an article that explains how the US has been actively fucking with Iran since before Obama was even born.
The deal isn't in effect as the EU breaches it by adhering to US sanctions. That won't change because EU companies fear US sanctions.While I can definitely understand the dick swinging and overall force of power, the agreement wasn't with just the US so the nuclear deal is still in effect, and technically Iran has breached that deal. But obviously it's a little more nuanced than that, what can they do after the US hitting them with sanctions without good reasons? If the EU has the intention to overthrow the US as the main international powerhouse, they have to show they don't need the US for these deals. Good for the EU, good for Iran.
What exactly are you laughing at, yet you refute nothing I say. Why should Iran comply to the USA?Hahahahaha! Ok buddy! 😂😂😂
Iran has always been an unstable country. It was only a matter of time before they withdraw from these agreements. Iran never complied, even under the Obama administration.
But it's OK for Israel to have nukes, and constantly threat Iran?Iran having nukes would be terrifyingly. Israel would constantly be threatened. By the time the sanctions are applied it'll be too late to stop them.
Here's an article when Obama still had 2 years till his presidency ended on How Iran was heavily involved in Syria.
Iran boosts support to Syria
It's relative. Yes Iran backed the heinous Assad regime, on the other hand the Gulf states backed many Sunni terrorist rebels which terrorized the West. It makes no sense to defend the latter.
it's cool if Israel has nukes, but not Iran?no it isn't, a country with government and leaders saying it wants to wipe off another country from the planet is not one that should have nuclear weapons (Iran's antisemitic relationship with Israel, about wiping it out).
So the victim has to prove they're worthy of aid? That's some fucking garbage politics.
Are some of you guys for fucking real? Iran should have held his end of the agreement (which it still does, breaching the limit is within the contents of the agreement) because other countries are doing so? Are you kidding me? EU can't do shit thanks to US sanctions. On paper, EU says europian companies can work in Iran, but the reality is, they can't. Companies are leaving Iran and stopping doing trade with Iran left and right because they have to choose between Iran and US.
EU staying in the agreement meant nothing for Iran, and more sanctions even from EU ain't going to have much effect. Iran's economy is fucked and is moving toward total collapse pretty fast, with or without EU.
But forgive us for not bending over and enjoying it, my dear Fox news audience.
Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map, woooooo they are the evil, yet we have Trump threating to obliterate Iran 3 times a day, saying if that then there won't be Iran anymore, yada yada but that's OK with you guys. Genocide or threatening it is OK as long as the one doing it is on your side. Jesus.
Typical white supremacist in disguise lol. He tries hard tho so I can respect that.Any thread on Iran and half the posts belong to DrewFu. Damn, dude, you're too invested in this.
The article is one-sided for one obvious reason: its (openly stated) intent is inform the side that's not the one widely propagated by the traditional media and all of the hawkish "interested parties" that are the ones usually discussing matters relating to Iran in the public sphere.Oh man, this article is so one-sided. Let's say that with the dissolution of the Eastern Bloc the Czechs and the Hungarians would install heavy anti-Russian regimes. Fourty+ years of support to communist regimes and the supression the Hungarian and Prague Springs would be the cause. If I would follow the logic of this article it would excuse the Chechs and Hungarians to support Caucasian and Arab terrorists, attack Russians around the globe, taking hostages etc.
Not to say the least that Mossadeq was unpopular with Iranians, slided Iran to arbitrary rule with rigging elections and unleashing violence on the opposition and refused to negotiate a settlement which further destabilized Iran. Fear of a left-wing take-over led to the coup, not oil. A large part of the clergy even supported the coup against Mossadeq.
Now, this doesn't excuse the coup, or the other wrongful behaviour the US has showed towards Iran. But it doesn't excuse the Islamic Republic from waging terrorism or destabilisation. Especially with countries which have nothing to do with the US-Iran dispute.
There are a few posts that give a primer on the history of Iran in this thread and yet you decide to quote me to demonstrate that you didn't read the thread or show how ignorant you are of that history?Iran is hardly just a "victim"... speak to anyone in the Middle East and they will confirm that the opposite is also true.
There are a few posts that give a primer on the history of Iran in this thread and yet you decide to quote me to demonstrate that you didn't read the thread or show how ignorant you are of that history?
The article is one-sided for one obvious reason: its (openly stated) intent is inform the side that's not the one widely propagated by the traditional media and all of the hawkish "interested parties" that are the ones usually discussing matters relating to Iran in the public sphere.
Still, I didn't bring it up with the intent of excusing anything on Iran's part. I was pushing back against the very specifically-worded claim that Iran is the main destabilizing factor in the Middle East, which is simply not true if you actually look at the complete timeline of events in the region. With things like what's going on in Yemen right now, the identity of the main destabilizing factor should be pretty obvious even if you refuse to look to the past - but doing so makes it even more blatant. The US is the external actor in this play.
Iran has been a saint compared to Israel and the USA in the region.I am not ignorant of history. But claiming that Iran's issues today are solely due to Western powers meddling is equally ignorant. Iran has been a bad actor in the region for decades.
Iran is what it is today because of a US coup against a democratic leader in 1953.I am not ignorant of history. But claiming that Iran's issues today are solely due to Western powers meddling is equally ignorant. Iran has been a bad actor in the region for decades.
The United States will never allow something?
Who writes this utter rubbish.
A maximum pressure campaign? Oh no, if only there were a diplomatic foothold in place that could have been used to negotiate Iran's future in handling uranium from... Oh well, time to ready the F-16s!Everybody it's worse than we thought. Not only was Iran violating the deal after it was torn up by the US, they were also violating it before it existed.
Israel constantly threaten Iran.
The United States constantly threaten Iran.
Why is this acceptable to you?
Sorry English is not mt first language but does it saying what I think it does?!According to this, Iran was violating the deal's terms before the deal! lol