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Iranian metal band Confess sentenced to 14 1/2 years in prison, 74 lashes, granted asylum in Norway
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Drill music is pretty well linked with gang activity and other shit like that. No matter how people try to dress it up as just innocent music, it certainly isn't, and the people involved certainly aren't.
This is the type of metal creed the stuff of legends are made of.
They are really fighting the good fight.
They are really fighting the good fight.
Drill is an international genre of music with nearly a decade worth of mainstream recognition. Ridiculous to assume everyone involved with it (now or in the future) is dangerous. Borderline conspiratorial. Been drinking that BBC koolaid i see. Lmao, innocent? Don't see anyone pretending that life for black men in London is innocent. Their music is a reflection of their lives, you ban drill and you ban one of the very few legal ways of escaping poverty.
I'm trying to figure out which is thinner: your skin or the logic within a belief system that encourages torture and hatred towards anyone who dare questions its legitimacy? Don't be so quick to lash out at anyone who expresses passionate disdain for the suffering wrought on the actual to sycophantically please the improbable. Your noble defense is likely not solely responsible for getting you a VIP seat in the cosmos.
Credit where it's due, but the deep lyric adds meaning. Including a long-pole element of hoiw Shiite and Sunni regions splintered. It's just magnificent. But you're right that it's the same joke.
You say this but there's been plenty of gang activity and even deaths related to stupid "diss tracks" and other shit related to drill music. There's a reason these two fuds got treated like they did. I'd expect the same if anyone went around burning churches and making NSBM. Oh wait, that already fucking happened.
Wiat, you're talking about two unrelated musicians right, not the metal band from the OP?
I mean, we still keep Mullah Krekar around, despite both Iraq and the US wanting to get their hands on him for over a decade at this point. So I assume they'll be safe, lol.
gj Norway. i hope they enjoy life there, and play even harder.
i wonder how Al-Namrood is doing in Saudi Arabia, playing Black Metal there is just.. insanely brave.
there was also a metal band in Syria playing gigs while being occupied by fucking ISIS... blew my mind, in a Youtube video a guy is tuning his guitar or sth and gesturing in a direction saying ISIS is right there and they would kill the band right away if they saw or heard them. just wow. they were supposed to make a documentary if they survived, called Syrian Metal is War (i think). wonder what became of that..
i wonder how Al-Namrood is doing in Saudi Arabia, playing Black Metal there is just.. insanely brave.
there was also a metal band in Syria playing gigs while being occupied by fucking ISIS... blew my mind, in a Youtube video a guy is tuning his guitar or sth and gesturing in a direction saying ISIS is right there and they would kill the band right away if they saw or heard them. just wow. they were supposed to make a documentary if they survived, called Syrian Metal is War (i think). wonder what became of that..
Attack the root problem - lack of social support for lower working class minorities. The gov has been shamelessly gutting youth centres for example. Ostracising a music genre is a band aid solution.
Especially a genre so vaguely defined like drill. They'll just move past the label and call it something else.
One day I hope the Islamic Republic collapses. May not happen for 20 years but the day it does will be glorious
I think its possible to prosecute the open glorifying of that lifestyle at the same time as supplying avenues out of grim situations. Some people won't want help out of it too, and will continue to desire the "gangster" lifestyle because they think its cool and desirable.
I don't know man. I don't trust this government to know where to draw the line between glorifying a lifestyle and presenting your truth.
Yeah, the Tories are shit, but you still need action to make it clear that glorifying that kind of gangster killer drug dealer lifestyle isn't something that is welcome in society.
I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this..
But in my opinion -- the legitimization of any religion enables this kind of bullshit.
Can we, as people, fucking admit that it's all bullshit already and be better people?
Uhhhh....so God can't forgive you for insulting the Prophet? I guess God has his limits/a lack in some abilities with them.
This. I'm not gonna poke fun at the Islam religion because this government has proved they aren't about being religious. They are all about control and they use religion as a crutch, much like many others in the West. And if it wasn't Islam or Christianity, it would have been something else.
Wow wtf. Are you going to justify the cruel and backward punishment in the Op for the prophet too??? You're part of the problem. Putting concern over insulting dead religious people over actual human rights.
So let me get this straight. Muhammed was supposedly chased out of a town by rock carrying youth, who stoned him and his companion to the point where their sandals were soaking with blood. Then Gabriel showed up and was like, "hey so god told me to let you know, that if you wanted to we can bury that town beneath a mountain" and Muhammed was like, "nah, maybe their children would be better than them." But make fun of him and that's a death sentence?
How can you go around telling stories about Muhammed's mercy when people would put animal shit on him while he prayed and he would tell his companions to let it go, and then turn around and want to murder people if they make fun of him?
How can you go around telling stories about Muhammed's mercy when people would put animal shit on him while he prayed and he would tell his companions to let it go, and then turn around and want to murder people if they make fun of him?
Sharia law is medieval and stupid. It's not a fit for our era...it's 1500 years old.
I mean these laws (stories) are really just continuation of Hammurabi's Code. Islam is an update of Judaism. Christianity is a modification. It's all based on pagan stories and deities. For being anti polytheistic...and anti paganism, Islam has a lot of pagan rituals like animal sacrifice, derived from Judaism. It's a mess.
Of course. They can't even see the irony in how ridiculous it is that they come across more barbaric than even the people from the 7th century.
Countries that have any sort of punishment for "blasphemy" and making fun of rulers can also collectively get fucked too. How insecure do you have to be in your religion, that you need to murder or inflict physical harm on people for daring to say something negative about it?
I wish.
Instead you get accused of being "intolerant," even on forums like Era.
Religion has no place in modern society and should be stigmatized.
It's 2019 and the majority of the world population still believes in gods. It's never gonna stop.
Yeah old testament Judaism is pretty barbaric. We moved away from much of the nasty stuff but still need to get rid of more, especially the sexist shit.
Well, that's what the Iranian government is trying to do. Speed up the band getting over to heaven and set up an academic debate.
Poster has the word "witch" in their username. Time for stoning!
I legit think these idots would die from a heart attack if they saw Islam versions of some of Slayers or Cradle of Filth's album covers.
Not questioning the importance of freedom of speech, just the usage by that particular poster. Freedom of speech is fine, but let's not ignore that there are limits even to it.
I mean, why would you want to go out of your way to offend the Muslim (or insert any faith or athirst group) users here? Discuss the regimes misguided practices, I'm all for it, but don't be offensive about an individual who isn't directly or indirectly responsible for what's happening right now.
I thought we were supposed to be able to communicate with each other knowing we have different beliefs and perspectives.
And I'm out of the loop because I didn't realize the Prophet's existence was in dispute, considering he was the subject matter of the quote I was replying to? Unless you mean something else by 'imaginary friend'?
I see what you did there.
So let me clarify, because I realize online, things said and not said can be misconstrued, before I reply to your points.
I deliberately, when replying to the poster, kept my response to his actual post, rather than the subject in the OP. Mainly, because I agreed with most of the posters about how messed up the matter was and they said it better than I could. I responded to that particular post because nobody had and I thought a response was at least needed to it.
I disagree with you that being insulting towards religious or historical figures is the right tool to demonstrate how nonsensical they are. A better way would be to use counterpoints and arguments to achieve that result.
This: 'Fuck the Prophet...' isn't showing how nonsensical it is too have somebody being executed in the name of the Prophet.
I'm not close to being outraged over this post, as you suggest, but I am pretty peeved. But that's less so than the anger I feel over the misuse of power here - and to be clear I don't know this metal group and what their songs and lyrics contained, but wether them getting charged and sentenced for execution or the African American people getting murdered by cops in the US, or the mass shootings in Schools, or the innocents dying by drone attacks or wars for the sake of profits, and nobody seemingly in power willing to do anything about it, yes I am outraged over it and I stand with you and everybody here against all that and more.
The only thing it says is that I haven't commented about that, but as you can see in my replies in this post, I have addressed that point to some degree.
And yes, I do think I added something to the conversation by highlighting a post that I think was wrong and stating my reasons for why.
As a Muslim, I found that comment rude, and as everyone was rightly concentrating on replying to the main story, I thought it was worth responding to that post. Just because I responded to him, doesn't mean I endorse the Iranian regime or their actions, there is room in this thread for breadth of discussion around this topic.
Sharia means law, so Sharia Law means Law Law. Forgive me, not a dig at you, but that's what I hear. This answer you:
You asked how the Prophet feels about Sharia. The Sharia is present in the Qur'an and the hadith (the sayings and actions of the Prophet), they demonstrate how it is used and applied. There are numerous books of discourse on Sharia alone, and it can safely be said that no Islamic country follows the Sharia fully or with the full understanding. The Sharia that is implemented suits the needs of the ruling power in charge, similar to how democracies alter and apply their law. I do not know how the Prophet feels, he passed a long time ago.
Are Iranians doing a disservice or blaspheming the prophet? The lashings are for disturbing public opinion, so that's a national law that they're applying, as for murder, that depends on a case by case basis. You could say disservice, yes, in how they're applying the Sharia, I think. But I'm just a layman. Is it a disservice to humanity that innocent people are given the death penalty in the US? I think the answer is yes in both cases.
How can you supprt that posters assertion without actually reading up on what the Prophet said and did?
Well said, if trite.
I like how you equate me to having a thin skin for daring to respond to a comment someone wrote. Using phrases like 'quick to lash out' to paint me as an irrational barbarian, while painting posters I'm responding to as 'anyone who has passionate disdain for the suffering...', in so very righteous and benevolent light. Very nice picture you painted here. At least the others posters were legitimate in their responses, you are simply insidious.
Only my actions and deeds will take me wherever it is I am bound. I am not here seeking nobility, I have my own problems and flaws to deal with.
On a final note, now that the replies are done with:
I hope I've conveyed my perspective as much as I can at this moment in time. It's a bit time consuming on mobile. I'll try to clarify and address anything further and if I've made mistakes, I'll deal with that too.
One thing I would like to add is the nature or at least part of the nature of the Prophet in the lives of Muslims.
The most important person in our lives is our mother. Above her is Prophet Muhammad (saw) and above him is Allah (god).
You know how somebody says something bad about your mum and you get all riled up? That's how we feel when people disrespect the Prophet.
That doesn't mean you resort to violence. But that doesn't mean you can't speak out. Muslims are weak right now, so they remain silent or they resort to violence, one extreme or the other. So I thought I'd speak out.
It's strange, people think the problems in the world exist because of religion, but really it exists because of people. Religion is just a tool. And if it didn't exist, they'd just supplement something else in its place. That's my current thinking, for what's its worth.
As for the Iranian Regime and why it exists, history will tell you that. There's a lot of blame to go around. And if there is any justice in this world, a lot of people have it coming. All we can do is try to make the world a better place by striving to be the best we can be. In Arabic the term for that is Jihad. It means to strive, to struggle.
Man, Iran is all kinds of fucked up.
Is possible to think that the country on the whole would have been better off under the Shah? I realize that Pahlavi's installation as Shah is the result of a CIA Clusterfuck and that his coming to power was in many ways a human rights violation...but it seems like all the Iranian Revolution did was make things exponentially worse...
Is possible to think that the country on the whole would have been better off under the Shah? I realize that Pahlavi's installation as Shah is the result of a CIA Clusterfuck and that his coming to power was in many ways a human rights violation...but it seems like all the Iranian Revolution did was make things exponentially worse...
The rest of your replies barely mention the actual issue at hand here so I'm definitely willing to say that you care more about a throwaway comment than you do with the potential torture and jailing of completely innocent (yes, they're innocent) people.
And when you did mention Iran itself you threw a bunch of incorrect whataboutisms in there in some strange attempt to downplay the whole thing and reflect it back to unrelated problems in other countries. You then literally downplay the ruling by saying that it is "National Law," which completely ignores the religious-backing that such law has; since you're comparing this to America it would be like saying Alabama's backwards abortion laws are just "State law," instead of Christian-backed puritanical nonsense. That you later on say that Islamic violence is because they're "weak" right now (Muslims aren't weak in Muslim-led countries so it's false anyway, but I digress) and not because they're religious fundamentalists, and that "religion doesn't kill people, people kill people," are just more indicators of this weird attempt at justification.
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I've always heard it referred to as "Sharia law" and used it as such. But that's not the point.
This is what I'm reading about penal law as part of Sharia:
So, aside from a few exceptions, punishment is fluid and is at the discretion of the courts. However, I can't look at the punishment for blasphemy--which is death and a fixed punishment--and not feel that his is a barbaric and outdated set of laws that elevate religion over human rights and morality. This band were facing death at one point for singing about their religion.
How is this reasonable to any person? If Sharia was originally determined by Muhammad, than I guess Muhammad would approve of what the courts are wanting to do to these two guys. I cannot agree with it, nor tolerate it. It's a retaliatory and completely Draconian set of punishments that are excused because some divinity made it up 1400 years ago. Times have changed but Sharia has not.
And I agree that the death penalty in the US is an outdated form of punishment but it is not a punishment promoted by the Christian figurehead (if the Sermon on the Mount means anything, at least). Mohammad appears to actively promote this sort of retributive justice. Again, if so, Muhammad shares blame in this.