Yeah, or we just accept that freedom of speech in the 21st century is a lot more important than the right of some ass backwards people to not be insulted over their imaginary friends ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not questioning the importance of freedom of speech, just the usage by that particular poster. Freedom of speech is fine, but let's not ignore that there are limits even to it.
I mean, why would you want to go out of your way to offend the Muslim (or insert any faith or athirst group) users here? Discuss the regimes misguided practices, I'm all for it, but don't be offensive about an individual who isn't directly or indirectly responsible for what's happening right now.
I thought we were supposed to be able to communicate with each other knowing we have different beliefs and perspectives.
And I'm out of the loop because I didn't realize the Prophet's existence was in dispute, considering he was the subject matter of the quote I was replying to? Unless you mean something else by 'imaginary friend'?
I see what you did there.
I think it's all the more important that we CAN be insulting towards these religious figures to show just how nonsensical the idea is of someone getting EXECUTED for 'insulting' the prophet. How fucked up is that? Your outrage should be directed more towards people getting killed for singing a song that is deemed blasphemous, than some guy on the internet 'insulting the prophet'.
So let me clarify, because I realize online, things said and not said can be misconstrued, before I reply to your points.
I deliberately, when replying to the poster, kept my response to his actual post, rather than the subject in the OP. Mainly, because I agreed with most of the posters about how messed up the matter was and they said it better than I could. I responded to that particular post because nobody had and I thought a response was at least needed to it.
I disagree with you that being insulting towards religious or historical figures is the right tool to demonstrate how nonsensical they are. A better way would be to use counterpoints and arguments to achieve that result.
This: 'Fuck the Prophet...' isn't showing how nonsensical it is too have somebody being executed in the name of the Prophet.
I'm not close to being outraged over this post, as you suggest, but I am pretty peeved. But that's less so than the anger I feel over the misuse of power here - and to be clear I don't know this metal group and what their songs and lyrics contained, but wether them getting charged and sentenced for execution or the African American people getting murdered by cops in the US, or the mass shootings in Schools, or the innocents dying by drone attacks or wars for the sake of profits, and nobody seemingly in power willing to do anything about it, yes I am outraged over it and I stand with you and everybody here against all that and more.
That you care more about someone saying that instead of the band who were practically sentenced to death for doing the same definitely adds something to the conversation.
The only thing it says is that I haven't commented about that, but as you can see in my replies in this post, I have addressed that point to some degree.
And yes, I do think I added something to the conversation by highlighting a post that I think was wrong and stating my reasons for why.
As a Muslim, I found that comment rude, and as everyone was rightly concentrating on replying to the main story, I thought it was worth responding to that post. Just because I responded to him, doesn't mean I endorse the Iranian regime or their actions, there is room in this thread for breadth of discussion around this topic.
How do you think this Prophet feels about Sharia Law? Are Iranians doing a disservice or blaspheming the Prophet for sentencing people to death and medieval lashings for singing songs? I think the other guy has every right to call out this Prophet if this is the message he upholds.
Sharia means law, so Sharia Law means Law Law. Forgive me, not a dig at you, but that's what I hear. This answer you:
You asked how the Prophet feels about Sharia. The Sharia is present in the Qur'an and the hadith (the sayings and actions of the Prophet), they demonstrate how it is used and applied. There are numerous books of discourse on Sharia alone, and it can safely be said that no Islamic country follows the Sharia fully or with the full understanding. The Sharia that is implemented suits the needs of the ruling power in charge, similar to how democracies alter and apply their law. I do not know how the Prophet feels, he passed a long time ago.
Are Iranians doing a disservice or blaspheming the prophet? The lashings are for disturbing public opinion, so that's a national law that they're applying, as for murder, that depends on a case by case basis. You could say disservice, yes, in how they're applying the Sharia, I think. But I'm just a layman. Is it a disservice to humanity that innocent people are given the death penalty in the US? I think the answer is yes in both cases.
How can you supprt that posters assertion without actually reading up on what the Prophet said and did?
I'm trying to figure out which is thinner: your skin or the logic within a belief system that encourages torture and hatred towards anyone who dare questions its legitimacy? Don't be so quick to lash out at anyone who expresses passionate disdain for the suffering wrought on the actual to sycophantically please the improbable. Your noble defense is likely not solely responsible for getting you a VIP seat in the cosmos.
Well said, if trite.
I like how you equate me to having a thin skin for daring to respond to a comment someone wrote. Using phrases like 'quick to lash out' to paint me as an irrational barbarian, while painting posters I'm responding to as 'anyone who has passionate disdain for the suffering...', in so very righteous and benevolent light. Very nice picture you painted here. At least the others posters were legitimate in their responses, you are simply insidious.
Only my actions and deeds will take me wherever it is I am bound. I am not here seeking nobility, I have my own problems and flaws to deal with.
On a final note, now that the replies are done with:
I hope I've conveyed my perspective as much as I can at this moment in time. It's a bit time consuming on mobile. I'll try to clarify and address anything further and if I've made mistakes, I'll deal with that too.
One thing I would like to add is the nature or at least part of the nature of the Prophet in the lives of Muslims.
The most important person in our lives is our mother. Above her is Prophet Muhammad (saw) and above him is Allah (god).
You know how somebody says something bad about your mum and you get all riled up? That's how we feel when people disrespect the Prophet.
That doesn't mean you resort to violence. But that doesn't mean you can't speak out. Muslims are weak right now, so they remain silent or they resort to violence, one extreme or the other. So I thought I'd speak out.
It's strange, people think the problems in the world exist because of religion, but really it exists because of people. Religion is just a tool. And if it didn't exist, they'd just supplement something else in its place. That's my current thinking, for what's its worth.
As for the Iranian Regime and why it exists, history will tell you that. There's a lot of blame to go around. And if there is any justice in this world, a lot of people have it coming. All we can do is try to make the world a better place by striving to be the best we can be. In Arabic the term for that is Jihad. It means to strive, to struggle.