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Is 4Chan finally getting the investigation it deserves? Posting shut off for 48 hours
- Thread starter Noroi_Kisaragi
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People jumping the freedom of speach bandwagon. That site has a serious problem of difussion of hate speech of every kind, I don't care if it's "just trolling", if the site owner hasn't been able to offer a solution to that, well, goodbye.
(The same should apply yo twitter,reddit, facebook, etc)
(The same should apply yo twitter,reddit, facebook, etc)
Why should they have to moderate the hate speech? Private sites can do what they want unless it's only when they do what we want? People can't have it both ways. I'm against hate speech but if 4chan want's to allow hate speech on there they have the right. I also have the right to not visit 4chan.
inb4 someone starts asking people if they think x illegal thing should be allowed because free speech etc etc.
Yes, that freedom of speech bandwagon. The same as those hipster ideas of freedom of press, the freedom to practice your religion of choice, the right to assemble and the ability to vote. Like all those listed this "freedom of speech" hooey is just another fad that will soon fade.
Who even care about that free speachy, changy stuff? Commies.
This is a bizarre question. Why wouldn't you desire for hate speech to be moderated? No one is being arrested so their rights aren't being taken away, someone is just expressing their opposition to that bullshit. You can express that you want it to be moderated while obviously lacking the power to enforce it.
This isn't exclusive to 4chan, reddit has a board exclusive to this and it has over 300,000 members. The suicide video that cause ruckus a couple weeks back also show up there, and the only reason it was taken down was because the mom reveal her house number and destination when she call 911.
Not excusing it, but stating how callous people has become to death.
You'd be wrong if you think adults are free from the negative toxicity and all around cesspool of shittiness of sites such as 4chan affecting them negatively.
I'm not against freedom of speech, I'm against freedom of speech to justify anything. And is 4chan now the poster child of journalism and freedom of religion? lol
Don't you see the harm of hate speech? You think is something we should applaud and respect next to child pornography and terrorist apologism because freedom of speech?
Open, unmoderated and (in 4chan's case) welcomed hate speech is rarely a victimless crime, especially on public forums. One way or the other it will affect the groups/people its directed at, to let that kind of cesspool of hate and ignorance live on with no moderation
4chan doesn't allow child porn. Most Child porn being posted is from people trying to troll which doesn't work because mods delete it right away, Also who said anything about journalism? Lots of chans/sites that allow anonymous posting get people trying to troll/scar people by posting cp.
I think threats of violence are illegal and should be enforced. 4chan is full of them and users cannot be held to account because of their anonymity.
and sites with moderation(reddit, twitter, facebook) are just as bad. Also, 4chan already has moderation?
This isn't a zero sum game, adding more moderation or taking away anonymity isn't going to make it better. Other sites have already proven that. And yet, there is a peace to be had in anonymity that isn't offered elsewhere.
It isn't a matter of pretending that 4chan is bad because of anonymity, and coming with the false conclusion that anonymity is the issue here. Nah, it isn't.
It's super weird, my friend had a mental issue and someone who was a self confident, self employed go getter becomes a recluse spouting the bs. Having frequented the site over the years we used to throw the memes in jest but he now uses them to truely describe himself. This need to not self identify as a normie and find confidence in his inadequacies just disturbs me. As someone who has gone through, and still does dispite my current blessings, mental issues I hate how disconnected he's become to the real world sometimes.
Outside of Nazis, White Supremacy, (And any other hate group ) speaking their actual hateful ideology. What speech would you consider "hate speech"? I am genuinely interested in seeing other peoples opinion on this is too.
What a bunch of lazy defeatism. Sites like this prove that you CAN use moderation to improve a community. You said it isn't a zero sum game, so if moderation improves things slightly, why not invest in that and try and stamp out your reputation for Nazis? And nah, other sites aren't even close to the hate that comes out of /pol/.
Moderation is no good if it's not enforced actively and thoroughly. Reddit let's subreddits moderate themselves and won't do anything to anything other than childporn and maybe a couple of other unwanted topics. That leads to having lots of hate speech because, hey, that doesn't drive too many advertisers away.
Also, I said nothing about anonymity or its removal
Defeatism implies 4chan wants a different reputation. It doesn't. Also, you sure about that and /pol/? Reddit has the donald, facebook had literal russians swaying american opinions through data harvesting and using it. /pol/ as a board these days just tries to infect other boards on 4chan and well, failing.
Moderation is enforced through each board. Some are more lenient than others in that sense. On /v/, if a thread is made for trying to derail and troll, it tends to get deleted fast enough.
But that's not the moderation you want, is it?
Why do you care about improving 4chan? Do you visit 4chan regularly or do you want the internet to be policed? 4chan doesn't care about it's image.
Is there still hate speech on 4chan? If so, then yes, they are not doing a good enough job at it.
Lol at you trying to imply something idiotic.
I only ever visit /a/ and /v/ to check out some opinions/reactions to new anime episodes or new games/gaming news.
And like 90% of the posts you see there are either people just talking normal or using some form of very obvious and lazy memeing/trolling which you can identify instantly if you spent a bit of time on the site. The actual real fuckwits usually stay away or get moderated away to their horrible boards anyway.
What I find refreshing about /a/ and /v/ is that the threads I usually stay in and read or reply basically feel like people coming home from say work or something else out in society and just kinda letting go. You know just take off your social mask and let out your actual thoughts about something.
Sometimes you just personally feel "This game is shit. utter utter shit. I can not believe anyone can like this". And you just want to throw that out. Not cause it is productive in any way, but just, sometimes you want to let out your real feelings. And sometimes you want to tell someone "You're an idiot for liking this" because that's what you feel. So when I for example browse ERA and I see a thread about a game that to me personally just looks abysmal and I just can not see how people are praising it, I can just check on /v/ and say exactly what I think about it, while here on ERA we have other rules about those kind of discussions. Which is absolutely great btw, I am not saying one is better than the other. But I personally don't always want to type out a long opinion piece about something and have a huge discussion. But just the same I also don't always want to write a quick "god this game fucking sucks" on /v/ either. Both are things that I do and it all depends on what I want to do.
Honestly, I am happy that there are places to do both.
Do note that what I am talking about here is strictly about actual opinions that don't discriminate against people or actualy hatespeech.
Me writing "You are an idiot for liking this" on /v/ might make you a little angry, but it's in no way comparable to someone writing "this is a game for fucking n******". That is reprehensible and is someone using the anonimity to spread hate, ignorance and intolerance.
I hope i got across what I wanted to express with this post, I am not a native english speaker so please ask me to clarify things if they aren't clear from the text.
And like 90% of the posts you see there are either people just talking normal or using some form of very obvious and lazy memeing/trolling which you can identify instantly if you spent a bit of time on the site. The actual real fuckwits usually stay away or get moderated away to their horrible boards anyway.
What I find refreshing about /a/ and /v/ is that the threads I usually stay in and read or reply basically feel like people coming home from say work or something else out in society and just kinda letting go. You know just take off your social mask and let out your actual thoughts about something.
Sometimes you just personally feel "This game is shit. utter utter shit. I can not believe anyone can like this". And you just want to throw that out. Not cause it is productive in any way, but just, sometimes you want to let out your real feelings. And sometimes you want to tell someone "You're an idiot for liking this" because that's what you feel. So when I for example browse ERA and I see a thread about a game that to me personally just looks abysmal and I just can not see how people are praising it, I can just check on /v/ and say exactly what I think about it, while here on ERA we have other rules about those kind of discussions. Which is absolutely great btw, I am not saying one is better than the other. But I personally don't always want to type out a long opinion piece about something and have a huge discussion. But just the same I also don't always want to write a quick "god this game fucking sucks" on /v/ either. Both are things that I do and it all depends on what I want to do.
Honestly, I am happy that there are places to do both.
Do note that what I am talking about here is strictly about actual opinions that don't discriminate against people or actualy hatespeech.
Me writing "You are an idiot for liking this" on /v/ might make you a little angry, but it's in no way comparable to someone writing "this is a game for fucking n******". That is reprehensible and is someone using the anonimity to spread hate, ignorance and intolerance.
I hope i got across what I wanted to express with this post, I am not a native english speaker so please ask me to clarify things if they aren't clear from the text.
Yeah, there's hate speech. And that shit sucks. But there's also conversations about video games, movies, music, cosplaying, anime, etc.
Just like Reddit! Just like Facebook! Just like Twitter! The only difference is everyone is anonymous and conversations disappear after a couple hours.
Like I said, it's not moderation you want. 4chan is what it is, and it's not trying to be anything greater than that, nor does it pretend to be anything better than the trash that can come out of it. It's a valid site in that regard.
This is why that Karl Popper image is so wrong.
Nobody is asking for "unlimited tolerance." Or "freedom of speech to justify anything." I'm always so confused how every person who wants to limit free speech is so confident their own speech will not be limited. You are either a timid hold-your-tongue type or you are such a zealot you assume your righteous ideals could never be challenged.
If you've spent any time on /Pol/ you'd know how it's an order of magnitude worse. Hourly threads on lynchings, rape, and nazism. I'd like for moderators to delete threads with calls to violence in them.
The internet is already policed for things like threats, calls to violence, and terrorism. Why not just hold 4chan to the standard everyone else follows? Why shut down ISIS recruitment groups on social media but not Nazi recruitment on /pol/?
/pol/ is a containment board. I do not visit /pol/ because there is nothing of value there. There was a time where moot deleted /pol/, and those bastards infected every facet of the site. The existence of that board is so that the rest of the site can actually live.
I don't like or care about /pol/. But I understand that if you delete it, then it infects the rest of the site. So it's a necessary evil that you can avoid, thankfully.
I feel like this has turned into "b..b..bu..but mah hate speech!" No one has told me why it shouldn't be moderated yet acknowledges that it happens.
because if you strictly moderate /pol/, then they start attacking other boards en masse. Thats why you leave all the shit in the shithole.
4chan is more than /pol/. Many people here and on other liberal sites seem to have this delusion that if you just ban all the bad meanies from one place on the internet, that they'll just stop existing or congregating. I assume that logic stems from the love of overzealous moderation and a desire for censorship of thought.
Oh it's cool because "we've got the terrorists contained"? Wtf? If we were talking about a hypothetical r/ISIS, NO ONE would defend keeping a board dedicated to it around. But white nationalism? "Whatcha gonna do, 4chon gonna 4chon kek" incredibly sad that so many have already ceded this ground.
Yeah, sites like reddit, facebook, and twitter harbor that shit too. People actually use their names on those sites. You ready to start going after those sites, too?
Like...pretending it's a '4chan only' problem is shortsighted.
And the thing is, 4chan.org is a top 100 site in the US, top 200 worldwide. Millions of people go to it. It's impossible to moderate how you want it to be moderated. It has 20x the amount of boards resetera has, and the majority of those move extremely fast. /pol/ being deleted would be a plague on the rest of 4chan, and eventually on boards like reddit and facebook, and it would literally make them worse.
A containment board is useful. In this case, it's necessary.
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I get where you're coming from but it feels really empty. If I ran a community like that I can't picture myself being like "and over here ladies and gentlemen we have all the assholes, sorry if they are turbo racist and maybe even become terrorists." It'd be like having a white power rally in Disney Land (well maybe more like Vegas) in a walled off corner. If we ran em out they might actually have to try and congregate elsewhere using their own funds, can't try that.
I'm not predending anything. Go on t_D right now and make a thread about how great nazism is and it will be closed within an hour. They won't allow that shit because they don't want to get shut down. I hate those subs but they're tryna "hide their power level" still. The threads about lynching politicians would be deleted too. If we can't have a nuanced discussion of degrees at all without engaging in a lazy "slippery slope" fallacy, then we aren't going to get far in stomping out domestic terrorism.
That image is 100% right. You make a super weak argument against it.This is why that Karl Popper image is so wrong.
Nobody is asking for "unlimited tolerance." Or "freedom of speech to justify anything." I'm always so confused how every person who wants to limit free speech is so confident their own speech will not be limited. You are either a timid hold-your-tongue type or you are such a zealot you assume your righteous ideals could never be challenged.
Every time I visit /tv/ I find it super creepy. They have an obsession with very young actresses.
Honestly would there be much difference at this point? /Pol/ is leaking into other boards quite badly nowadays.
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Or maybe we just don't like a huge group of nazi pedos hanging around.
Just a thought.
I laugh at all these people going BUT OTHER BOARDS THO...it's the same website. Most of the community overlaps going all the way back when they were an obscure little dirty secret in 2003/2004.
Fuck these people, and I've known so many people growing up in high school who idolized these fuckers.
They've been a blackhole for the worst shit since forever.
It's..not as simple as that. 4chan is ranked 76 in the US, 187 world wide. There are millions of people, as I write this message there will probably have been 300 posts across their various boards that have been posted. It is impossible to moderate in a way that would be able to shut down hate speech immediately. Especially if it was rampant across all boards, and I just did a count and there's 70 boards.
Each board on there is as active as each board on here. Even if each board had 5 moderators, it'd be impossible to curate every single post going through it.
Thus, the containment board. Yeah, it's unsavory. But it's not something you have to go to. Yes, it's existence is problematic, but it's necessary. So delete the board. They attack the rest of 4chan in retaliation. That much was true last time it happened. What happens if it stays deleted? They move on. To other places in the internet. To less well-known sites with smaller communities. To boards like ours. To reddit, to facebook, they will spread like a miasma, because they have done so in the past. So keep them in their shithole.
Yeah, moot was in a tough position when he deleted /pol/. And he realized that by bringing them back, atleast he was able to stifle the damage other boards took.
They dog whistle. t_D isn't a good board. Sure there aren't threads openly praising nazism, but you know that's what they want, and they make it known as much with their love for milk and using 'soyboy' as an insult(I dunno, I'm not up to date on t_D lingo).
And they're gonna continue dog whistling with all the hatred they want. I'd rather have the devil I know, then someone pretending to be sincere. Because atleast I know who to avoid.
This is up for debate. Well-moderated forums have their place, just as "anything goes (within legal reason)" places have theirs.
Nah dude, drop the defeatism. The reason these lowlifes have been able to radicalize each other so much and without oversight is exactly BECAUSE they aren't forced to interact with the rest of society. Lance the boil that is 4chan, and then we, as a global societ will have to work harder to either deradicalize them or make it clear that their terrorism isn't welcome on our platforms. Yknow, like generations before did. Because fuck Nazis
are you sure about that
are you sure a website that has millions of visitors every month, that everyone overlaps?
Let's take a look here. I don't go to OTs about the Nintendo console, the Xbox console, or the Sony console. I stick to a few threads that I peruse frequently. But according to you, 'it's the same website, obviously I visit every community on here m i rite?'
Again, defeatism implies they want to change. They don't. I'm fine with 4chan staying how it is. 'Aren't forced to interact with the rest of society'....uhm, welcome to the internet. Nobody is forced to interact with anybody they don't want to. We on't have to socialize with NeoGAF or Reddit. We stay in our own little bubbles.
The thing about criticizing bubbles, is that the person doing it don't realize they're doing it from their own bubble, like you are.
Don't reduce Popper to just that image though. He makes valid points.
So does John Rawls in Theory of Justice. Actually he argues that indeed we should tolerate the intolerant, but to a certain point.
And are our societies not currently in danger?
Didn't a sect member just commit murder, that was especially targeted against women, because his 4chan hosted sect made him do it?
yeah I'm sure man but keep whataboutism things though, or making false equivalencies.
I'm gonna sideeye anyone that says they go there.
but it's ok for you to keep generalizing and assuming?
uh-huh, ok, cowboy.
When there is enough historical evidence to back up my claims I'm not generalizing anyone. "cowboy".
Do show. Show that all the boards overlap, and that all 4chan communities overlap. The burden of evidence is on you. Show me that 4chan is in fact the hivemind you claim it to be, that all people equally use all the boards on there, and that they are all in fact /pol/.