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Suicide King

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Oct 27, 2017
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Recently, many issues involving the sheer nature of capitalism (crunch, speculation, slave labor) have creeped into gaming discourse. They have always been there in material terms, with things like CD and console manufacturing outsourced to countries with less humane labor legislation, but thanks to a crescent economic and climate crisis, we are able to talk about it in terms that are closer to our understanding.

And more recently, we have witnessed even more of the greed that fuels capitalism, with Sony and Apple both trying to make more money off the competition in a very transparent way. For a long time, the corporations have openly screwed over the workers, through surplus value and neoliberal working conditions, but now they are also screwing over the consumers in an obvious way. There are not a lot of venues for them to make more money, so they need to charge more for the games, or (god forbid) diminish the scale of the AAA games.

And heck, even with indie games, I have to worry about the working conditions because nowadays indie is just an accolade for "smaller company". Look at Aeon Must Die and how development went. And when smaller studios aren't shamelessly exploring their workers in an obvious, they are doing so by turning value into profit for the higher-ups. And even when it is an ethical team, you still have to worry about distribution. Devolver is apparently pretty cool, but what if the game is published by Steam, or Epic? It's very hard to escape from the act of giving money to billionaires, unfortunately.

Would you be OK if all these big companies had to be downscaled and turned into cooperatives? Without the fetishism of giant gaming conventions designed to make money, would you still be able to enjoy smaller indie games with not a lot of hype or crunch behind them? Would you enjoy a clean, ethical supply chain as the norm?

Of course, I'm saying that in a very small scale, since it would be really hard to abolish the current system in a global scale. But there's always a first step.
 

Raigor

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May 14, 2020
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Gaming exists thanks to Capitalism.

If anything gaming needs capitalism.
 

Ovvv

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Jan 11, 2019
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No, but it's destroying many of the lives in the industry.
 

Acido

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Oct 31, 2017
1,098
Capitalism ruins everything. We'd have way better technology and games without it.
 

Servbot24

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Oct 25, 2017
43,065
Money is the reason video games exist. Game companies have never made a video game out of the goodness of their heart.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,466
Capitalism destroys everything. I'm glad to see labor movements gain some traction especially in the tech sphere these days.
 

amemehack

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Jun 6, 2020
74
No, and while we're at it, there are systems for a reason in this world: economic stability, interest rates, growth. It's not all a conspiracy to keep you in little boxes, alright? It's only the miracle of consumer capitalism that means you're not lying in your own shit, dying at 43 with rotten teeth, and a little timed exclusivity is not going to change that. Now come on, fuck off.

Edit: this is a peep show quote!
 
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ByWatterson

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Oct 28, 2017
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I mean, it created it, and capitalism's greed of late hasn't stopped games themselves from being better than ever.

So, no.
 

LavaBadger

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Nov 14, 2017
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Irresponsible corporate leadership concerned only with wringing ever higher profits out of their products is to blame, and insofar as this is encouraged under our system of capitalism, you could say that it is to blame.
 

LewieP

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Oct 26, 2017
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A lot of sub-optimal things can be chalked up to capitalism gonna capitalism, but I don't really think it's anything new.
 

Apollo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Gaming would probably look very different without capitalism. Very different, but better. So yes
 

TheRulingRing

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Apr 6, 2018
5,713
Games are bigger than ever lol how can you say this with a straight face.

Are there problems with it? Yeah, obviously.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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ArkhamFantasy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Capitalism is a symptom of human nature, humans are the problem.

To answer your question, it's ruining some games (EA/Ubisoft/Activision/Take Twos big money makers that rely on predatory monetization schemes and safe game design) but not others (Sony, Nintendo, Square Enix, Capcom).

Games have gotten better with every new generation, and i expect that to continue for the foreseeable future.
 

Astronut325

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Oct 27, 2017
5,948
Los Angeles, CA
The very existence of gaming is due to capitalism.

That doesn't mean the bad stuff shouldn't be addressed. Slave labor, crunch, and other issues can be addressed. It just means higher costs for Platforms/devs/pubs. You need unions, and government support.
 

Kuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Gaming is still fine, its the people making games that are suffering. If most devs manage to unionize and get better rights/pay, gaming will probably still be the same or maybe a bit better but the people involved will certainly be a lot happier and healthier.
 

Ovvv

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Jan 11, 2019
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Everything is either good or bad, there is no nuance whatsoever. Haha.
 

hanmik

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Oct 26, 2017
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And more recently, we have witnessed even more of the greed that fuels capitalism, with Sony and Apple both trying to make more money off the competition in a very transparent way.

Could you please explain what you mean here? Have I missed something these past weeks?
 

ByWatterson

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Oct 28, 2017
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No, and while we're at it, there are systems for a reason in this world: economic stability, interest rates, growth. It's not all a conspiracy to keep you in little boxes, alright? It's only the miracle of consumer capitalism that means you're not lying in your own shit, dying at 43 with rotten teeth, and a little timed exclusivity is not going to change that.

Kinda this.

Capitalism is the only system capable of creating the broad-based wealth that other systems are better at distributing fairly. So, the answer isn't BOO CAPITALISM!, but rather, "Hey, let's talk about how to fairly regulate this totally necessary thing."

Capitalism is like fire, electricity, heat, agriculture: Necessary things that need to be regulated in some fashion.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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Capitalism destroys all things. It's very productive like that!

Kinda this.

Capitalism is the only system capable of creating the broad-based wealth that other systems are better at distributing fairly. So, the answer isn't BOO CAPITALISM!, but rather, "Hey, let's talk about how to fairly regulate this totally necessary thing."

Capitalism is like fire, electricity, heat, agriculture: Necessary things that need to be regulated in some fashion.

No, in fact, the answer is to boo capitalism. Acting like it's a life or death utility shows the lack of imagination you possess.

Truly, we are in the end of history.
 

Binhoker

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Oct 29, 2017
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I mean, it keeps people atomised and disconnected from a broader society, reducing us all down into components parts of a species ending rapacious death machine, boxed In and fed digital trinkets to distract us from the unceasing horror of a coughing spluttering system.




So maybe that's good for the games industry?
 

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Oct 28, 2017
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The videogame industry likely wouldn't exist if it wasn't for capitalism.

I think these battle passes, lootboxes and other microtransactions are very dangerous for the longevity of the industry however. Full priced, largely single player focussed games like Doom Eternal should not have a battle pass.
 

Laiza

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Oct 25, 2017
2,170
Gaming would probably look very different without capitalism. Very different, but better. So yes
Imagine how much bigger the MMO genre could have been if we could have a bunch of unique passion projects instead of just a handful of holdouts that rely entirely on cash shops and subscription fees (with degenerate incentives tied to either model - even FFXIV is guilty in this regard).

I stand by the notion that certain types of games literally cannot exist due to the overwhelming monetary incentives involved.
 

Hexa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nah. Capitalism is the only reason gaming is anywhere near as good as it is.
 

Dalik

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Nov 1, 2017
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People thinking that before capitalism art & entertainment didn't exist 🤡