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Is Dr. Doom the greatest comic book villain of all time?

JetmanJay

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Nov 1, 2017
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How many good movies has Doom starred in? How many awards have they won?

How about Joker? I rest my case :0
 

Black_Stride

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Oct 28, 2017
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He's up there, but he's not even the best Marvel villain (that'd be Magneto).
The best overall comic villain is Joker.
Joker?
Which books are people reading where Joker is rated higher than Dr Doom?

How many good movies has Doom starred in? How many awards have they won?

How about Joker? I rest my case :0
But we are talking about the characters as comic book characters.
Doom stomps Joker in pretty much every way.
As a character with depth....his actual feats....his design.

Joker defeat Doom?
 

Goodstyle

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Nov 1, 2017
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Getting emotional thinking about what a great villain Dr. Doom is. So many great and not-at-all stupid moments in comic book history attributed to him.

 

RedVejigante

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Aug 18, 2018
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It was a mistake to make his actual last name Doom.
Having his real name literally be Victor Von Doom is definitely a throwback to a pulpier era of comics, but I honestly prefer when writers simply embrace the absurdly operatic elements of the charactet rather then trying to come up with tortured workarounds or explanations like the Ultimate Universe or the last FF movie tried to.
 

DeathyBoy

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Oct 29, 2017
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Under my Hela Hela
He will be once he joins the MCU and we get a good live action version.

To be fair, that book in general probably wasn't the most well thought out piece of storytelling in the world.
The fucking state of that shite. It’s genuinely offensive that they thought the thing to do was trivialise a tragedy by having villains act out of character and cry over it. Like “oh no, we’re all ruthless monsters, but we’re not as bad as the people who caused 9-11.”
 

EmptyWarren

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Oct 29, 2017
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I prefer my villains villainous. The fact that you can like them defeats the purpose for me.

Allfather Starr from Preacher


Lono from 100 Bullets
 

PeskyToaster

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Oct 27, 2017
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Having his real name literally be Victor Von Doom is definitely a throwback to a pulpier era of comics, but I honestly prefer when writers simply embrace the absurdly operatic elements of the charactet rather then trying to come up with tortured workarounds or explanations like the Ultimate Universe or the last FF movie tried to.
Have you seen this nutjob from Latveria? The press are calling him Doctor Doom. Ain't that sumthin'.

Easy.
 

RedVejigante

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Aug 18, 2018
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Have you seen this nutjob from Latveria? The press are calling him Doctor Doom. Ain't that sumthin'.

Easy.
But then you rob Doom of the ability to refer to himself in third person as Doom, a key component of his character.

Plus, you can always just claim that Latveria has weird naming conventions. Say that it means 'hope' in English or something.
 

Mistouze

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Oct 26, 2017
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No, it's the Joker. And it's not even close.
Why so serious lmao?

If Doom is not the best villain, he's damn near the top of that game.

The character has a huuuuuge range of stuff he can be used for that he's the best thing in shared universe. From implacable tyrant to self important fool, he just works.
 

striderno9

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Oct 31, 2017
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Like with most every comic book, the quality of the character entirely depends on the quality of the writer. I've read stories where The Joker is pitch-perfect, and I've read stories where he is really uninteresting. Same with Doom.....
 

JetmanJay

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Nov 1, 2017
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Joker?
Which books are people reading where Joker is rated higher than Dr Doom?



But we are talking about the characters as comic book characters.
Doom stomps Joker in pretty much every way.
As a character with depth....his actual feats....his design.

Joker defeat Doom?
Well, if Dr. Doom has such resilience and range, why haven’t we seen any good films of this comic book character?

Joker is chaotic, unreadable, smart, and lethally dangerous.

Dr. Doom is an evil Iron Man who talks in third person. And I actually like Dr. Doom.
I just don’t think he holds a candle to the type of fear and danger generated by a Joker.
 

Bane

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think Doom's most interesting when he's not a full on villain, much like Black Adam and Magneto. So I'm going with no, he's not the best villain but he can be an incredibly compelling character.
 

GreatFenris

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Apr 6, 2019
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Yes.
I know people will say the Joker, or Lex Luthor, or Darkseid or yadda yadda blah balh.
But no other supervillain is half as good as him. He can be a terrifying mastermind, or a crazy weirdo. He can outthink you, but he could also just LOUDLY PROCLAIM LATVERIAS WILL!
He's a blast to read about, and when someone EdgeLord quotes the Joker...You can just go. "DOCTOR DOOM TOOTS AS HE PLEASES!"
 

Black_Stride

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Oct 28, 2017
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Well, if Dr. Doom has such resilience and range, why haven’t we seen any good films of this comic book character?

Joker is chaotic, unreadable, smart, and lethally dangerous.

Dr. Doom is an evil Iron Man who talks in third person. And I actually like Dr. Doom.
I just don’t think he holds a candle to the type of fear and danger generated by a Joker.
You want to get into the politics of making movies based on comic book characters....to discredit a comic book character?

By that logic Jennifer Walters is a whack comicbook character....hell Kate Bishop is shit.

Immortal Hulk is an eisner nominated book...but because no movies are based on it, The Immortal Hulk must be trash tier.

Whats your actual argument...cuz Doom has no good movie appearances....the Comicbook character is shit?
Wouldnt that hurt a bunch of characters who havent had good movie appearances?
Pretty much all of Image Comics lineup hasnt had a good live action appearance, does that kill all those characters?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well, if Dr. Doom has such resilience and range, why haven’t we seen any good films of this comic book character?

Joker is chaotic, unreadable, smart, and lethally dangerous.

Dr. Doom is an evil Iron Man who talks in third person. And I actually like Dr. Doom.
I just don’t think he holds a candle to the type of fear and danger generated by a Joker.
Are you seriously judging how good a character is written based off if there's movies about them or not? Lmao
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Depth doesn't mean much when it comes to quality. For most of his appearances up until Superior Spiderman, Doctor Octopus was the simplest supervillain ever and yet he is easily one of the greatest in execution.
 
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RedVejigante

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Aug 18, 2018
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It’s not even close









Joker definitely has greater mainstream relevancy, and he's also an extremely versatile villain, as these pictures show, but that extreme versatility basically comes at the expense of having a real, defined character. To me it's telling that only two versions of the character shown here have an actual history or backstory. Joker is a great conceptual villain, Doom has greater all around depth.
 

Illusion

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Oct 27, 2017
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Depth doesn't mean much when it comes to quality. For most of his appearances up until Superior Spiderman. Doctor Octopus was the simplest supervillain ever and yet he is easily one of the greatest in execution.
He is still considered Spidey's mortal enemy/greatest villain. But people like jumping to Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.

It's always been a fight between the two.
 

Matthew77

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Oct 29, 2017
2,990
Massachusetts
He is still considered Spidey's mortal enemy/greatest villain. But people like jumping to Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.

It's always been a fight between the two.
Ocks better. Norman lost the title when they brought him back and they retconned all the stuff with Gwen and stuff. He used to be the guy who caused Gwen’s death and robbed Peter of revenge by accidentally impaling himself. Now he’s just Marvels attempt to have a more off kilter Lex Luthor. Resurrected Osborn is trash.
 

kikiribu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nobody talks about him and only the most hardcore comic nerds seem to know who he is, at least in my experience. He doesn’t even come close to Joker. Everybody knows who Joker is and exactly what he did and does. He transcended comic books and became a global icon.
 

Hail Satan

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Oct 27, 2017
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I only just started reading a lot of FF. Was the Ultimate Fantastic Four series worth a read for Doom at all?

I used too like the Ultimate X-Men, Spier-Man, and Ultimates for a brief moment in time but never got around to FF
 

ReAxion

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Oct 26, 2017
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arguments in favor of joker in here remind me how boring he is. i wouldn't have put doom as greatest of all time but if this is what the competition mounts...
 

ManCityX

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Oct 27, 2017
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The joker is trash, kill people and being so crazy. Shit got old in the 80s. Doom actually makes you cheer for him while he is doing his dirt
Nah, Joker is the most recognised and popular villain in the history of comic books, with ease.

The character is also the most sought after and revered role in the history of comic book movies.

arguments in favor of joker in here remind me how boring he is. i wouldn't have put doom as greatest of all time but if this is what the competition mounts...
Doesn’t seem too boring when 3 of his cinematic portrayals are also the top 3 most respected performances in the history of comic book movies.