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Is Dr. Doom the greatest comic book villain of all time?
- Thread starter Uzumaki Goku
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wish to hell they'd reprint the trade
also DOOM > joker by a country mile
Joker?
Which books are people reading where Joker is rated higher than Dr Doom?
But we are talking about the characters as comic book characters.
Doom stomps Joker in pretty much every way.
As a character with depth....his actual feats....his design.
Joker defeat Doom?
Having his real name literally be Victor Von Doom is definitely a throwback to a pulpier era of comics, but I honestly prefer when writers simply embrace the absurdly operatic elements of the charactet rather then trying to come up with tortured workarounds or explanations like the Ultimate Universe or the last FF movie tried to.
To be fair, that book in general probably wasn't the most well thought out piece of storytelling in the world.Getting emotional thinking about what a great villain Dr. Doom is. So many great and not-at-all stupid moments in comic book history attributed to him.
He will be once he joins the MCU and we get a good live action version.
The fucking state of that shite. It's genuinely offensive that they thought the thing to do was trivialise a tragedy by having villains act out of character and cry over it. Like "oh no, we're all ruthless monsters, but we're not as bad as the people who caused 9-11."
The fucking state of that shite. It's genuinely offensive that they thought the thing to do was trivialise a tragedy by having villains act out of character and cry over it. Like "oh no, we're all ruthless monsters, but we're not as bad as the people who caused 9-11."
I prefer my villains villainous. The fact that you can like them defeats the purpose for me.
Allfather Starr from Preacher
Lono from 100 Bullets
Allfather Starr from Preacher
Lono from 100 Bullets
Have you seen this nutjob from Latveria? The press are calling him Doctor Doom. Ain't that sumthin'.
Easy.
But then you rob Doom of the ability to refer to himself in third person as Doom, a key component of his character.
Plus, you can always just claim that Latveria has weird naming conventions. Say that it means 'hope' in English or something.
Why so serious lmao?
If Doom is not the best villain, he's damn near the top of that game.
The character has a huuuuuge range of stuff he can be used for that he's the best thing in shared universe. From implacable tyrant to self important fool, he just works.
Like with most every comic book, the quality of the character entirely depends on the quality of the writer. I've read stories where The Joker is pitch-perfect, and I've read stories where he is really uninteresting. Same with Doom.....
Joker?
Which books are people reading where Joker is rated higher than Dr Doom?
But we are talking about the characters as comic book characters.
Doom stomps Joker in pretty much every way.
As a character with depth....his actual feats....his design.
Joker defeat Doom?
Well, if Dr. Doom has such resilience and range, why haven't we seen any good films of this comic book character?
Joker is chaotic, unreadable, smart, and lethally dangerous.
Dr. Doom is an evil Iron Man who talks in third person. And I actually like Dr. Doom.
I just don't think he holds a candle to the type of fear and danger generated by a Joker.
Yes.
I know people will say the Joker, or Lex Luthor, or Darkseid or yadda yadda blah balh.
But no other supervillain is half as good as him. He can be a terrifying mastermind, or a crazy weirdo. He can outthink you, but he could also just LOUDLY PROCLAIM LATVERIAS WILL!
He's a blast to read about, and when someone EdgeLord quotes the Joker...You can just go. "DOCTOR DOOM TOOTS AS HE PLEASES!"
I know people will say the Joker, or Lex Luthor, or Darkseid or yadda yadda blah balh.
But no other supervillain is half as good as him. He can be a terrifying mastermind, or a crazy weirdo. He can outthink you, but he could also just LOUDLY PROCLAIM LATVERIAS WILL!
He's a blast to read about, and when someone EdgeLord quotes the Joker...You can just go. "DOCTOR DOOM TOOTS AS HE PLEASES!"
You want to get into the politics of making movies based on comic book characters....to discredit a comic book character?
By that logic Jennifer Walters is a whack comicbook character....hell Kate Bishop is shit.
Immortal Hulk is an eisner nominated book...but because no movies are based on it, The Immortal Hulk must be trash tier.
Whats your actual argument...cuz Doom has no good movie appearances....the Comicbook character is shit?
Wouldnt that hurt a bunch of characters who havent had good movie appearances?
Pretty much all of Image Comics lineup hasnt had a good live action appearance, does that kill all those characters?
People saying Joker, what am I missing?
Re-read this again just a few weeks back, this book was such a joy to read for the first time.
Re-read this again just a few weeks back, this book was such a joy to read for the first time.
Are you seriously judging how good a character is written based off if there's movies about them or not? Lmao
Depth doesn't mean much when it comes to quality. For most of his appearances up until Superior Spiderman, Doctor Octopus was the simplest supervillain ever and yet he is easily one of the greatest in execution.
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I will agree with anything you say about comics ever again, just so long as you never post anything so ugly ever again. It's offensively bad.
Joker definitely has greater mainstream relevancy, and he's also an extremely versatile villain, as these pictures show, but that extreme versatility basically comes at the expense of having a real, defined character. To me it's telling that only two versions of the character shown here have an actual history or backstory. Joker is a great conceptual villain, Doom has greater all around depth.It's not even close
He is still considered Spidey's mortal enemy/greatest villain. But people like jumping to Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.
It's always been a fight between the two.
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Ocks better. Norman lost the title when they brought him back and they retconned all the stuff with Gwen and stuff. He used to be the guy who caused Gwen's death and robbed Peter of revenge by accidentally impaling himself. Now he's just Marvels attempt to have a more off kilter Lex Luthor. Resurrected Osborn is trash.
Squirrel Girl could be a fun/funny comic to read, but only in the case where it doesn't look like the characters are consistently hypnotized and in the middle of ripping a juicy fart.
Nobody talks about him and only the most hardcore comic nerds seem to know who he is, at least in my experience. He doesn't even come close to Joker. Everybody knows who Joker is and exactly what he did and does. He transcended comic books and became a global icon.
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I only just started reading a lot of FF. Was the Ultimate Fantastic Four series worth a read for Doom at all?
I used too like the Ultimate X-Men, Spier-Man, and Ultimates for a brief moment in time but never got around to FF
I used too like the Ultimate X-Men, Spier-Man, and Ultimates for a brief moment in time but never got around to FF
Nah, Joker is the most recognised and popular villain in the history of comic books, with ease.
The character is also the most sought after and revered role in the history of comic book movies.
Doesn't seem too boring when 3 of his cinematic portrayals are also the top 3 most respected performances in the history of comic book movies.
