I agree with "Hoodrat to Headwrap" take on this:. They're saying it to the wrong audience, so it means jack shit.
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
Is it OK to Say "F*cking White People" as a White Person to POC?
- Thread starter HeySeuss
- Start date
Only if you preface it with "would you ever consider" when talking to PoC of your preferred gender. It works every time.
That's fine tell other white people why white people suck cause they probably don't realize they suck yet, but this hypothetical is specifically about saying "fucking white people" to a group comprised exclusively of PoC. They don't need to hear from a white man how fucked up the world is, they know.
IT DEPENDS.
If it's actually funny or you're deriding a racist who is making everyone uncomfortable, it's usually ok.
It gets to cringe levels if it just becomes too self-hating though. Like no one wants to end up having to coddle you or congratulate you for your self-flagellation, you get me?
I am fairly sarcastic, but some people have levels of sarcasm and self-derision that makes you want to go "CHILL THE HELL OUT AND SHUT UP".
If it's actually funny or you're deriding a racist who is making everyone uncomfortable, it's usually ok.
It gets to cringe levels if it just becomes too self-hating though. Like no one wants to end up having to coddle you or congratulate you for your self-flagellation, you get me?
I am fairly sarcastic, but some people have levels of sarcasm and self-derision that makes you want to go "CHILL THE HELL OUT AND SHUT UP".
Last edited:
I came into the thread thinking just this and yet it's still an almost a 50:50 split with "No" so now I'm confused
I would imagine this is highly contextual. depending on whether the situation is calling for humor (ie a really bland potato salad) or is more serious (oh look another white person saying the n word).
Also depending on your relationship with the person in question.
Also depending on your relationship with the person in question.
One of my white friends and I shit on other white people often, because we've discussed how we feel about most things together. We're not trying to look good or anything. I don't say it to most of my PoC friends because it's information they already know. Some of my friends will be like, "White people fucking suck," and I'll agree. I just don't try to appeal to my friends as some sort of special white person, y'know? Other people will make up their minds if I'm good or not. I'm not gonna try to look a certain way. It's like the same thing with feminism. I don't walk around going "Look at me. I'm a special man that respects women," (I've seen many men who do this at my age) but I talk about feminist topics with my female friends.
This could be OK with close friends, but it's not appropriate in professional settings imo.
I would avoid generalizations of any kind at work.
I would avoid generalizations of any kind at work.
I'm a white person and I'll say it half joking about things sometimes around friends. The only person to get angry about it was another white person.
Honestly, is it bad if this is a white person thing to ask? Is it a bad thing for OP to have posted?
There's an episode of Seinfeld that comes to mind where Elaine is trying to figure out if her boyfriend is black because she's excited at the possibility of being in a mixed relationship, but she's afraid to just ask. George is uncomfortable with even bringing it up. The episode is funny because it's rooted in whiteness and behaviour that only white people would engage in. I'm a brown guy, so I don't think I've ever had that experience personally, which is why it's interesting for me to see.
I've discussed ethnic habits at work - like, another Indian coworker tries to recruit me to go up and get free food with me because he can't do it alone, or an east African coworker tells me how he when he's eating he needs to see me eating too. This one's different in that it's a view in perspective to other ethnicities, but I don't see why it's wrong to be discussed even if it's a white person concern.
There's an episode of Seinfeld that comes to mind where Elaine is trying to figure out if her boyfriend is black because she's excited at the possibility of being in a mixed relationship, but she's afraid to just ask. George is uncomfortable with even bringing it up. The episode is funny because it's rooted in whiteness and behaviour that only white people would engage in. I'm a brown guy, so I don't think I've ever had that experience personally, which is why it's interesting for me to see.
I've discussed ethnic habits at work - like, another Indian coworker tries to recruit me to go up and get free food with me because he can't do it alone, or an east African coworker tells me how he when he's eating he needs to see me eating too. This one's different in that it's a view in perspective to other ethnicities, but I don't see why it's wrong to be discussed even if it's a white person concern.
I'm not personally saying that caring too much is bad, but it can tend to come off as off-putting for a number of reasons. Individuals aren't really race ambassadors and as someone else pointed out, it would probably be more effective if it was pointed at the right audience, namely, white people.
Though I'm sure every race has their own version of "sorry, [insert race here] people"
You can say whatever you want, that doesn't devote you of the consequences tho. If your boss hears you saying something like this in your workplace and decides to send you to HR, what are you going to say, that my favorite progressive gaming forum told me it was ok? You're going to get laughed out of the room.
It's a inflammatory comment it doesn't matter whether you agree with that or not, all that matters is how people receive it.
It's a inflammatory comment it doesn't matter whether you agree with that or not, all that matters is how people receive it.
This is my feeling on it. Depending how you say it, it could come off as a cringey attempt to seem "woke."
As a white dude, I'll rant against white people, but usually only if the topic has been broached by someone else.
You're a cop right? I'd probably think twice about saying "fucking <insert ethnicity/race here" regardless of who I'm around.
And yes, it comes off as cringey as fuck.
And yes, it comes off as cringey as fuck.
this very question is some white people bullshit.
Yes, you can call out race as being bad when it's clearly weaponized. Do you have any idea how fucking tired I, or indeed anyone outside the USA, am of reading "X while Black" headlines without white America even coming CLOSE to wanting to deal with that bullshit?
Or yet another exciting daily round of Mass Shooting USA?
FUCK white America.
Thank you, like and subscribe to my newsletter, yada yada.
Like the first reply said: this is not an issue.
Yes, you can call out race as being bad when it's clearly weaponized. Do you have any idea how fucking tired I, or indeed anyone outside the USA, am of reading "X while Black" headlines without white America even coming CLOSE to wanting to deal with that bullshit?
Or yet another exciting daily round of Mass Shooting USA?
FUCK white America.
Thank you, like and subscribe to my newsletter, yada yada.
Like the first reply said: this is not an issue.
As someone currently teaching in a classroom where we have one white student who goes out of his way to be overly vocally woke and says stuff like this constantly... I'll echo the sentiment that it's more than a little cringy...
The only appropriate time
To be fair, I would think saying something like that would be the most tolerated in the presence of American police.
I mean, have you seen these people's Facebook posts?
Just say stupid mother fucking racist ass pieces of shits. It rolls off the tongue better and would get you less side eye.
I don't mean saying it in the presence of other police, I mean in general. It's a pipedream, I know.
Thanks to you for pulling it out of me. My first posts are usually lazy summarizations of what I really mean.
Are you seriously asking, as someone that teaches about "biases and microagressions", if you can make that sort of crude generalizations about a group of people in order to feel better connected to another group of people? And you're take is that you might be appropriating something? Ok...
Yeah. It comes off as trying too hard to be down or aware.
I call out the oblivious white majority and how that fucks with our culture and politics here in Québec all the time.
I don't rail against « fucking white people » though, because I know that it triggers diet-racists who descend on me and call me racists against white people (I am white and culturally québecois, it doesn't make sense). Just insulting whiteness to POC is pointless and a waste of time.
But yeah of course it's acceptable. Bad praxis and mostly pointless, but sure!
lol this is probably the best reply
I don't rail against « fucking white people » though, because I know that it triggers diet-racists who descend on me and call me racists against white people (I am white and culturally québecois, it doesn't make sense). Just insulting whiteness to POC is pointless and a waste of time.
But yeah of course it's acceptable. Bad praxis and mostly pointless, but sure!
lol this is probably the best reply