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Is Kojima the M. Night Shyamalan of the gaming industry?
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...Yes?
The Sixth Sense is a cultural phenomenon, and it has far greater influence than any Metal Gear game.
It's the other way around for me. M Night Shyamalan is a genuinely clueless director who breaks the basic rules of framing and cinematography to pursue experimentation. You can say Kojima's stuff is crazy and stupid but he really does know what he's doing in terms of his cinema, and thematics. It's just too on the nose to be good, and sometimes too disjointed in genres to seem masterful.
Hating on Kojima has been a thing since MGS2.
Arguably it only really became prevalent with MGS4.
If anyone that describes Suda51 more. Kojima has neither the sardonic edge, let alone the brevity.
feel like kojima hatred has finally hit its zenith on era with this thread
good lord yall are on one lol
good lord yall are on one lol
I think a lot of it is his ego. We've known for years he's been ego-driven, but this year it really came through on social media and in interviews. It's pretty off-putting how much he cares about being friends with celebrities. He didn't position himself well going into this.
Nah, I think they're actually the complete opposite...
Shyamalan, when he was good, was about the tight writing. I would say he was never a super-great director or a master of the technical side of filmmaking.
While he's praised for it in some circles, Kojima's writing is his weakest skill. He's actually a really good designer and director though -- he created the whole stealth genre, and even his recent games like MGSV and Death Stranding are mechanically solid and inventive.
If I had to compare Kojima to a movie director, it would maybe be Spielberg? Great director whose recent stuff has been kind of disappointing due to so-so scripts.
Shyamalan, when he was good, was about the tight writing. I would say he was never a super-great director or a master of the technical side of filmmaking.
While he's praised for it in some circles, Kojima's writing is his weakest skill. He's actually a really good designer and director though -- he created the whole stealth genre, and even his recent games like MGSV and Death Stranding are mechanically solid and inventive.
If I had to compare Kojima to a movie director, it would maybe be Spielberg? Great director whose recent stuff has been kind of disappointing due to so-so scripts.
While Kojima has some questionable story telling at times I will say his games are more engaging than most in terms of me simply wanting to know what happens next. Most games stories are garbage
I laughed at the thread title, but no.
Shyamalan has more than one genuinely good movie and doesn't get automatic praise for everything he does.
Shyamalan has more than one genuinely good movie and doesn't get automatic praise for everything he does.
In my subjective opinion kojima has made 3 mediocre products in a row considering budget and dev length I disagree with this.
I'm still waiting to be ashamed of my words and deeds...
Yeah, you're right. Kojima's probably more embarassing.
It's mostly a reaction the zealotry. He's extremely talented at game design and his games have helped shape the industry. Problem is that it's a combination of his fanbase being so fervent in its proselytization and him being completely & utterly full of himself that many people are worn thin from the countless times Kojima is placed on a pedestal by himself or others.
Look, I didn't like Death Stranding. And I think that not liking it is reasonable. I played it, didn't like it. Many many many people played, and absolutely loved it. Also reasonable. But when his fans are proclaiming it "GOTY" *prior to release* without even playing a minute of it, it's a bit much. When Kojima proclaims that he's creating a new genre, it's a bit much. He's been compared to Scorcese and Kubrick in this thread. Without irony. I think it's reasonable to roll up and respond "yeah that's crazy and so are you" to any of those proclamations.
Nah. Kojima's games are still good and review really well despite their stories. They're nothing alike. Unlike a movie, a game is more than a story.
I enjoy Kojimas work, and I feel I identified 3 camps of "Kojima hate"
1) The people who don't like his writing.
He does have a rather unique style to his writing usually bursting at the seems with exposition and on the nose imagery/word use.
2) The people who think he is an egomaniac
This I think is the most common camp of Kojima hate on era. People don't like the fact the man is proud of his work. They get mad when he makes a claim like "I want to make a new genre" or "Americans probably won't like death Stranding much because they prefer shooters". To these people they view him as an arrogant egomaniac... which is further from the truth because according to almost everyone who worked on DS in terms of acting, Kojima is incredibly open for collaboration and working with others. Basically people in this group have hard core "Bitch eating crackers" syndrome
3) People mad that DS is about delivering packages because they wanted a spiritual Metal Gear successor or Silent Hills
Because DS is not the most conventional game, people are mad he hyped this game up and think it was "wasted resources"
These are the 3 basic camps, but Era falls mostly under the second one for reasons to hate Kojima
Kojima makes good games in spite of the often problematic elements of his stories and characters (namely, the alarming prevalence of misogyny through objectification and lack of agency).
M. Night has made a handful of decent films, but most of his movies as of late are duds because he's become convinced that every movie he makes has to have some sort of twist after the positive reception to the twist of The Sixth Sense. Glass was awful.
M. Night has made a handful of decent films, but most of his movies as of late are duds because he's become convinced that every movie he makes has to have some sort of twist after the positive reception to the twist of The Sixth Sense. Glass was awful.
What failures has Kojima had and compare them to the failures of M. Night. Why do people here keep trying to drag Kojima in the dirt? The hard on you guys have on here for trying to shade the man is crazy.
So does M. Night
So does M. Night
No... M Night is a total hack. Kojima's games have absolutely brilliant and genre-leading gameplay.
Go check out GOTY threads prior to its release. Let's not pretend like it didn't happen.