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Is Microsoft making a mistake by developing Halo:Infinite for the Xbox One?
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343 will hold it back more than the hardware will - they certainly aren't Bungie. If Infinite isn't good, I'm done with the series so it's put up or shut up time for that studio
This does bring up the question, not only of Halo but of all games, where are next gen consoles going to stand in regards of new games on current gen consoles? Is MS still aiming for 'generationless' games? Will the entire library still be working on xbox one moving forward. I believe that was the goal. Works for PC. It may get real ugly, eventually. Does it make me crazy that I kind of want to see what that looks like 10 years from now? Lol
It seems like a low risk / low reward approach. Essentially the same approach a third party without a vested interest in the success of a console would take by choosing to go cross-generation: ensure you make back your costs without gambling on the uptake of new hardware. It just seems really odd for a first-party developer. Of course it's could just as well be the result of slipping schedules if it wasn't originally intended to arrive quite this late. Then it's a rational approach to making the most of a sub-optimal situation.
Compared to the version on high end PC and next gen console? Yeah.
I'm sure it will be fine on its own tho.
No. That's not how things work at all anymore, especially with them making the game available for PC too, and I wouldn't be surprised as well if XB1 versions are handled by another studio and 343 are working solely on the Scarlett and PC version, MP will be the same besides resolution since you will be playing with all platforms together but I can see the SP portion of the game being huugely different between Scarlett and XB1
This is totally different though. Gamecube and Wii were very similar in power and so were Wii U and Switch, so you can't really compare the result with Halo infinite where the new console will be several times more Powerful than previous and this fat more capable.Cross gen
ERA, for an enthusiast forum it's odd to see these results because Microsoft's strategy for Xbox is not that hard to ascertain :
As many platforms as possible, game pass, and crossplay between everything (yes even PC). Especially Halo. It is Xbox's flagship, so it needs to perfectly represent the ideals they have been striving for which are accessibility and scalability, while driving revenue through subscriptions and engagement. To do this they need momentum, and so they need sales and a bustling multiplayer community. Limiting the game to next gen Xbox only would have been totally counterproductive to their strategy and a massive mistake.
As many platforms as possible, game pass, and crossplay between everything (yes even PC). Especially Halo. It is Xbox's flagship, so it needs to perfectly represent the ideals they have been striving for which are accessibility and scalability, while driving revenue through subscriptions and engagement. To do this they need momentum, and so they need sales and a bustling multiplayer community. Limiting the game to next gen Xbox only would have been totally counterproductive to their strategy and a massive mistake.
People are used to "generations" and can't comprehend that x86 architecture makes this so much easier to scale. The Scarlett will be the high end spec, one x is mid, and one s is low tier or minimum requirements. They will make a ridiculously gorgeous native 4k60fps all the bells and whistles version for the scarlett that will look "infinite"ly better than the one s version and everyone will be able to play together.
Huge Xbox fan and owner of an Xbox One X here.
They absolutely should not make this game constrained by the Xbox One. It lessens the perceived value to lost Halo players who may consider getting an Xbox next gen.
They absolutely should not make this game constrained by the Xbox One. It lessens the perceived value to lost Halo players who may consider getting an Xbox next gen.
I get the feeling some people don't understand what cross gen titles even are. Games like Death Stranding and TLOU2 aren't cross gen because the PS5 won't even exist for purchase at the time of their release. They are current gen games that may see a re-release when the PS5 actually comes out. They were announced as PS4 only games and they will release at a time when only the PS4 will exist for consumer use.
Cross gen games are those that have a simultaneous release on current and next gen platforms. It's as simple as that. For example, God of War 3 isn't a cross gen game simply because it can be played natively on the PS4. It's a remastered last gen game, just like Death Stranding would be it it receives a PS5 release.
Cross gen games are those that have a simultaneous release on current and next gen platforms. It's as simple as that. For example, God of War 3 isn't a cross gen game simply because it can be played natively on the PS4. It's a remastered last gen game, just like Death Stranding would be it it receives a PS5 release.
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But that will be only limited to stuff like variable loadings with a pause screen or useless hub between 2 areas. 2 seconds of loading for PC + ssd pcie-4 (or Scarlett) and 15 to 30 seconds for PC (with ssd or HDD) and XB1.
With SSD + pcie-4 the loading of the streaming can potentially happen while the character is moving between those two areas. No need for loading screens or hub tricks to force the player to wait for the loading.
I'm not worried about them working within the constraints of, say, the One X. It's the base Xbox One that has been churning out nothing but issues for developers since launch that has me worried.
Eh, its not really fixing the issue if it was made with X1X constraints, it is still a significantly slower CPU that holds back scale, scope, AI, physics, destruction etc. And slow HDD that requires loading masking scenes, basically the 2 major upgrades of next gen wont affect the games other than initial loading being faster and higher framerates.
People need to realize that Halo Infinite was always going to be developed for the Xbox One. It was initially announced as a current gen title at E3 2018.
It's a good thing 343i are not Bungie because unlike 343i, Bungie are still making the same mistakes they made from Halo 2's development.
It's a good thing 343i are not Bungie because unlike 343i, Bungie are still making the same mistakes they made from Halo 2's development.
It's a mistake, the reveal didn't turn heads and a big part of it is that being a cross gen title it doesn't look that much better (if at all) from a current gen game. They could've made a big statement when they revealed it being one of the very first next gen games, they blew their chance to generate hype for the next gen XB.
The poll options have yes/no back to front.
I'm happy it's on it's way and it will have access to a huge community. it'll be a great launch game. I don't want to have to wait Til 2021 or 20222 to play it.
Can't wait to see what we've seen so far , but with ray tracing and HDR *drool*
I'm happy it's on it's way and it will have access to a huge community. it'll be a great launch game. I don't want to have to wait Til 2021 or 20222 to play it.
Can't wait to see what we've seen so far , but with ray tracing and HDR *drool*
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No.
My Pro is chugging along during Shadowkeep with constant FPS drops.
Wtf even is this. Halo 5 runs at a LOCKED 60fps and looks incredible on the X.
My Pro is chugging along during Shadowkeep with constant FPS drops.
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It blows my mind that the majority of this forum says that it is a mistake.
Halo Infinite has been in development since 2015. With the same expectation, any game releasing this year should have waited until next generation.
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It blows my mind that the majority of this forum says that it is a mistake.
Halo Infinite has been in development since 2015. With the same expectation, any game releasing this year should have waited until next generation.
What if it's actually on XCloud and Xbox One owners will be able to stream the game but not play it natively? :O
Community is vital to a Halo resurgence. Bringing in Xbox One S and lower tier PCs into the mix with Game Pass will allow Halo to captivate more mindshare than its had since Halo 3. Moving a handful more Scarlett's by avoiding the Xbox One makes no sense. 343 wouldn't be making a game that won't scale. Game spent most it's dev life on the Xbox One. It's already designed around that hardware as will every launch game.
This. They made the only right move there was to make.
That said, 343 gonna have to make sure that the Scarlett version looks and runs spectacular amd superior comparatively imho
the game has been in development for over 5 years come the launch of the game, holding it back another year isn't going to change the timing at which it came into the world, this is the nature of videogames and generational shifts.
There is absolutely no doubt that we will see games that are "next gen only" which ware also rooted in the technology of when they were made, not when they were released. It's always been the case that the 2nd and 3rd wave games long after launch are when you see the big improvements.
Even so, even if we just consider the faster CPU, then SSD and the capability for ray tracing , I would expect to a visual and an experiential change from the Xbox One to the Next gen machine version of Halo Infinite.
Even so, the big thing that this does is give the franchise the room to succeed with a much larger community base, Halo's online experience is enhanced significantly by having a larger player pool, something it suffered from with MCC and Halo5.
It's going to be on game pass across both machines , so as a Halo player I'm gonna have so many people to play with/against come Scarlett launch, way more than if it was limited to those earlier adopters
Just like hi-spec PC's and Low-spec PC's, games will just scale with more or less graphical/performance options to choose. The Xbox One version will be fine and fun at 1080p 30, or close to that. 1X version will probably have options for 1080p60 or 4k 30 with a few graphical tweaks to push it on. Scarlett will just be 4k60 with more graphical options to play with, just like PC's do.
On one hand a great new exclusive will push consoles but MS want to keep people and their consoles together, so blurring generations seems to be the thing they want but I don't expect them to hamstring the Scarlett just because of that.
Also, I cannot wait for the inevitable Era threads about downgrades and how the Xbox One is killing the Scarlett.
On one hand a great new exclusive will push consoles but MS want to keep people and their consoles together, so blurring generations seems to be the thing they want but I don't expect them to hamstring the Scarlett just because of that.
Also, I cannot wait for the inevitable Era threads about downgrades and how the Xbox One is killing the Scarlett.
This.
I would also add that 343 already demonstrated their technical capabilities pushing older hardware to their limits (aka: Halo 4) while still being able to push that forward, not only increasing resolution and framerate (aka: Halo 5 on OG Xbox One and same Halo 5 enhanced on X1X).
Another thing to consider is that Infinite is being made for the last 5 years also with high-end PCs in mind, therefore a scalability factor from the lowest-end machine to the highest was considered since the first Infinite development day.
They would be stupid to limit the game to only one console. Make this game accessable to as many people as possible.
Aaaand that's where you introduce 'XCloud', your super duper streaming service.
never thought of it but yes.
id want a halo or any game on a new gen to have been designed from day one for it
id want a halo or any game on a new gen to have been designed from day one for it
Just like with BOTW for Wii U, you need to treat your fanbase with respect by still providing for the system that they invested in. Only getting one new Halo for the XBO for its entire lifespan would be a slap in the face to Xbox fans.
Plus this way new ideas can be tested without stressing over needing to shock and wow with new tech, just focus on the core fundamentals here then once you have that foundation start experimenting more with the next entry.
Plus this way new ideas can be tested without stressing over needing to shock and wow with new tech, just focus on the core fundamentals here then once you have that foundation start experimenting more with the next entry.
Are some of you trying to not understand the potential problem or what is going on here?
How can the new studios show the capabilities of the new hardware if they have to think about the old fart "xbox one" in the room all the time?
Did you all forget Shadow of Mordor already?
kotaku.com
And that was "just" the Nemesis system.
Are we going to get less diversity in the next Fable game because the old netbook cpu can't handle so many different daily tasks for the npcs(to feel more real)?
Everything wortwhile isn't going to be something scalable. Do you really want a situation were some games from sony shows unheard of stuff while on scarlet you get the same xbox one game but with rtx effects and a better framerate?
Because of this Scarlet would feel more like a new graphics card. Everything stays the same but it's prettier.
I'm not saying the xbox games will be bad but i'm really bummed that they have to run on the old netbook craptastic hardware for a few years.
How can the new studios show the capabilities of the new hardware if they have to think about the old fart "xbox one" in the room all the time?
Did you all forget Shadow of Mordor already?
Shadow of Mordor Is Way Less Fun On Old Consoles
When Shadow of Mordor first arrived in September, it was met with heaps of well-deserved praise. The last-gen versions of the game arrived today to considerably more muted fanfare. After playing a few hours on my PlayStation 3, I can see why. This is not the Mordor I remember falling in love with.
kotaku.com
And that was "just" the Nemesis system.
Are we going to get less diversity in the next Fable game because the old netbook cpu can't handle so many different daily tasks for the npcs(to feel more real)?
Everything wortwhile isn't going to be something scalable. Do you really want a situation were some games from sony shows unheard of stuff while on scarlet you get the same xbox one game but with rtx effects and a better framerate?
Because of this Scarlet would feel more like a new graphics card. Everything stays the same but it's prettier.
I'm not saying the xbox games will be bad but i'm really bummed that they have to run on the old netbook craptastic hardware for a few years.
I wish this game was about you, the Master Chief and not all this group/team stuff that has been in the latest games.
Imagine discovering new World's 'alone'. Add some horror elements, a deep story (linked somehow to previous of the series), a new Xbox/Scarlet exclusive? System seller right there and would put MS right back in the mix.
Shame MS don't think along those lines, unlike the original...
Imagine discovering new World's 'alone'. Add some horror elements, a deep story (linked somehow to previous of the series), a new Xbox/Scarlet exclusive? System seller right there and would put MS right back in the mix.
Shame MS don't think along those lines, unlike the original...
I would not be surprised if they do a The Last of Us 2 where the MP part is (likely) next-gen only.