Zeta Char is best Char.It was such a weird departure from Char in Zeta, and fuck, the human evolution nonsense from Char was pretentious as fuck (Zeta was guilty as well).
Mech actions were awesome, so it made up for the plots with that
Zeta Char is best Char.It was such a weird departure from Char in Zeta, and fuck, the human evolution nonsense from Char was pretentious as fuck (Zeta was guilty as well).
Mech actions were awesome, so it made up for the plots with that
Honestly the trifecta of Zeta-ZZ-CCA is some of the most boppinest shit in Gundam and I'd argue 80's anime OPs/EDs/Insert Songs in general, and that's to say nothing of the actual (masterful) soundtracks of those entries.
Zeta is helped by using 3 Neill Sedaka songs, they knew how to create some great music for those shows though, they hold up even to this day.Honestly the trifecta of Zeta-ZZ-CCA is some of the most boppinest shit in Gundam and I'd argue 80's anime OPs/EDs/Insert Songs in general, and that's to say nothing of the actual (masterful) soundtracks of those entries.
It's the end of the Amuro x Char arc, you should watch it if only for that reason.
And the ending theme is splendid
PS : but my gosh are the production values weak for a 88 movie.
There's just so much Gundam out there I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?
I will always always always recommend the English dub of the original 1979 TV show, Mobile Suit Gundam. (Provided you don't speak Japanese.)
The dub is legit good, and the TV show is superior to the edited Movie trilogy in terms of pacing and just overall content. If you must watch the movie trilogy over the TV series, watch it subbed.
The English dub for the TV series is pretty good just in terms of sound quality also, and combined with the recent Blu Ray release, it makes watching a late 70's animated show easier for people that have a tougher time watching things with older, hyper-limited animation budgets/techniques and otherwise crunchy/clippy audio.
Thats an unfair comparison when you consider what else came out in 1988 namely akira. Cca's animation still holds up today imho.
When was Char ever a monster? I have yet to see Gundam Origin but he wasn't pure evil in Gundam 1979.People loved Quattro in Z and it made a lot of people forget that Char was a monster. I'm not one of those people and CCA is awesome. You should watch it. I think that it's a good ending to their rivalry.
When was Char ever a monster? I have yet to see Gundam Origin but he wasn't pure evil in Gundam 1979.
I didn't say pure evil, but he does start out as a manipulative sociopath that murders the Zabi family.
I didn't say pure evil, but he does start out as a manipulative sociopath that murders the Zabi family.
I mean... the Zabi family are mass murderers of literally billions of people at that point.
Always saw Char as more of an anti-hero personally.
Though, the new Origin mangas/movies definitely show off his sociopath side even more.
That's true, the OG Char is a very flawed character but he still has a redeeming side to him. I always found Char in Zeta a logical step in the road the character takes. CCA ignores all the devolpment he underwent in Zeta and basically makes Char a space Hitler. It's really disappointing.
That's the thing I dislike from CCA. Char had come such a long way in Zeta and CCA ignores all of that.Well, I added more to the post while your replying. I realized I might be told I was defending the Zabis. Gihren is literally Hitler. However, Char's motives wasn't to save the Solar System from Space Nazis. He would have killed his own sister if he had to. He kills the Zabis but takes their place as a dictator in CCA that was willing to kill billions too. The Origin does show him as a monster though so it lines up well, in my opinion.
That's the thing I dislike from CCA. Char had come such a long way in Zeta and CCA ignores all of that.
This is law.My opinion on this is law.
I both love it and hate it.
There are some really strange things in here, just in terms of coherence and pacing, something feels off. Lots of new characters that dont really go anywhere, and some questionable cameos from obscure returning characters that somehow got priority over much more beloved legacy characters.
Feels more like a sequel to the original tv series while ignoring Zeta and ZZ, but still makes more sense if you watch those. It's a culmination of years of story, while also kind of being a narrow payoff, for only a handful of characters. Idk, its hard to explain, but it's a really important piece of the UC timeline while almost feeling seperate from a lot of it at times.
There are some irritations that I had with the movie the first few times i saw it, but multiple watch throughs really smooths those things out for the most part. Certain characters act in ways that don't really make sense in isolation with what information the movie gives you, so there's some external speculation or conjecture required i feel to really make CCA fit nicely between ZZ and Unicorn.
Ultimately any gripes i have with the movie are washed away by the main event and climax of the film, and the banger credits song that plays. The animation is excellent and looks mighty crisp on the Blu Ray, and its cool to watch 16:9 Gundam for the first time. Its hype as shit, and has some great MS designs. IMO one of the greatest conflicts/battles in Anime, and if Gundam were mainstream, one of the most iconic. (For western audiences I mean, its already iconic in the mother land)
I firmly believe you love it, hate it, or do both at the same time.
Well, I added more to the post while your replying. I realized I might be told I was defending the Zabis. Gihren is literally Hitler. However, Char's motives wasn't to save the Solar System from Space Nazis. He would have killed his own sister if he had to. He kills the Zabis but takes their place as a dictator in CCA that was willing to kill billions too. The Origin does show him as a monster though so it lines up well, in my opinion.
Bit of a side question, but I only got into anime a few years ago and see Gundam as quite intimidating due to the amount of content I could watch. I always wanted to at least watch UC Gundam, but I never knew where to start.
I heard that the Mobile Suit Gundam original trilogy, which condensed the original show into three movies, is the better starting point for newcomers. Is that correct or should I go through the entirety of 0079?
Bit of a side question, but I only got into anime a few years ago and see Gundam as quite intimidating due to the amount of content I could watch. I always wanted to at least watch UC Gundam, but I never knew where to start.
I heard that the Mobile Suit Gundam original trilogy, which condensed the original show into three movies, is the better starting point for newcomers. Is that correct or should I go through the entirety of 0079?
Bit of a side question, but I only got into anime a few years ago and see Gundam as quite intimidating due to the amount of content I could watch. I always wanted to at least watch UC Gundam, but I never knew where to start.
I heard that the Mobile Suit Gundam original trilogy, which condensed the original show into three movies, is the better starting point for newcomers. Is that correct or should I go through the entirety of 0079?
Whatever you do, don't watch the Zeta movies though. Unlike the original trilogy, they are nigh unwatchable and the series is the only way to go.
I'll always have beef with the movie because I never bought how Char went from his Zeta persona to full on genocidal maniac with no real justification.
It was such a weird departure from Char in Zeta, and fuck, the human evolution nonsense from Char was pretentious as fuck (Zeta was guilty as well).
The OG Char is a very flawed character but he still has a redeeming side to him. I always found Char in Zeta a logical step in the road the character takes. CCA ignores all the devolpment he underwent in Zeta and basically makes Char a space Hitler. It's really disappointing.
Yeah, I always saw him as an anti-hero whose quest for revenge eventually leaves him warped as well.
I don't see his heel turn in CCA as strange or unbelievable as others, though I do think they did a sloppy job selling it in the movie.
He basically has to deal with corruption and bullshit on both sides during Z despite actually trying (or pretending) to work towards peace.
IMO, if you want a true example a Gundam film that's absolutely drop dead gorgeous but is otherwise putrid shit in terms of story, look no further than Gundam F91.
Bit of a side question, but I only got into anime a few years ago and see Gundam as quite intimidating due to the amount of content I could watch. I always wanted to at least watch UC Gundam, but I never knew where to start.
I heard that the Mobile Suit Gundam original trilogy, which condensed the original show into three movies, is the better starting point for newcomers. Is that correct or should I go through the entirety of 0079?
I would personally recommend the movie trilogy over the TV series. I had an easier time digesting the older style when I didn't feel like I was being bombarded by giant robot/toy of the week in the TV series. (That means no Gundam Hammer or G-Armor in the movies. Yay!!!) Any of the finer details of the story or characters that were cut out or shortened in the movies I just picked up later when I revisited the original TV series. (There are things in the TV series that I did find superior to the movies)
(I think the death of Lalah Sune was executed better in the TV series then the movie.)
However, if you're able to tolerate some of the sillier toy aspects of the TV series, then it's perfectly fine to watch it over the movies. :)
Char has tried every reasonable method to defeat his enemy, The Federation and its capitalism, so he conceives of one final solution to swiftly and truly end it once and for all: destroy the birthplace of capitalism and the headquarters of its society, Earth, to finally pave the way for Spacenoids to form a new society that is equitable for all people.
Char is also feeling vindicated by the destruction of everything he cared about in his battles against the neoliberal late capitalist order. The neoliberal elite, Anaheim Electronics, manipulated the AEUG by propping them up to stem the tide of fascism and preserve the status quo. Amuro has further betrayed Char as he once again stands complicit with The Federation. Then there's the deaths or crippling of everybody else he's cared for. Finally and most importantly, Char is trapped in a state of arrested emotional development since he never cultivated normal, healthy relationships. The closest he's come to an emotional confidant was Lalah. He was able to find another emotional anchor in his relationship with Kamille as that pushed him to develop a more peaceful role as mentor and eventually leader as the figurehead of the AEUG. All that was eventually taken away from him. His most pivotal years of emotional development in his youth were spent focused on war and revenge. He's just returning to what he's most familiar with and wrestling with these emotional traumas in Char's Counterattack.
They should remake the whole original, z and cca gundam in unicorn or origin style :x
ZZ is cry.They should remake the whole original, z and cca gundam in unicorn or origin style :x
Is what happened with Kamille still canon? Games and other media always go with the movie version.
08th MS team. Good for beginner.There's just so much Gundam out there I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?
Is what happened with Kamille still canon? Games and other media always go with the movie version.
Yes, Kamille is still a vegetable. ZZ and Unicorn can't even exist without Kamille being a vegetable.Is what happened with Kamille still canon? Games and other media always go with the movie version.
Better question: where does it rank relative to the Gundam Wing series?
I just watched it. The animation and capship fighting is next level, but the plot is wafer thin(which is about what I expect from Gundam).
"Humans just need time to grow! I'm not impatient like YOU!"
And Quess joins Char because he's cool, I guess? Okay then.
Honestly the best Gundam thing I've seen is still 08th MS Team because it doesn't have any of the Newtype baggage.
It's never worth your time to actually try to apply any logic to Female characters in Gundam. At least she's a stupid teenager so I can believe it. I meant it is the goddamn Red Comet himself. Recoa in Zeta is the one that really bothers me. How many times does she switch sides?
Regarding the newtype stuff, I still think 0083 does it better in a way. 08th is easily one of my favorites but Shiro is still a shonen style "genius" character. He never struggles and is basically good at everything.
Kou is a sucker at the start and gets styled on over and over. And even when he does get skills at the end he's doping himself up to stay in the fight and shit. Always liked how gritty it feels at that point in the story.
It's never worth your time to actually try to apply any logic to female characters in Gundam. At least she's a stupid teenager so I can believe it. I meant it is the goddamn Red Comet himself. Recoa in Zeta is the one that really bothers me. How many times does she switch sides?
Regarding the newtype stuff, I still think 0083 does it better in a way. 08th is easily one of my favorites but Shiro is still a shonen style "genius" character. He never struggles and is basically good at everything.
Kou is a sucker at the start and gets styled on over and over. And even when he does get skills at the end he's doping himself up to stay in the fight and shit. Always liked how gritty it feels at that point in the story.
Reccoa is horrible. I'm a Katejina stan, but even I can't defend Reccoa.Recoa must be by far one the worst female characters that I had ever seen
Specially since her motivation is "I'm a female and I need a men"
Yes, it's idiotic. That's not the path the Char we saw in Zeta would have taken. Tomino really screwed the pooch.The OG Char is a very flawed character but he still has a redeeming side to him. I always found Char in Zeta a logical step in the road the character takes. CCA ignores all the devolpment he underwent in Zeta and basically makes Char a space Hitler. It's really disappointing.