Ahahah this is so on point!Nah. That time in XCOM 2 when three of my best units got killed by an exploding car is. Harsh lessons were learned that day.
Ahahah this is so on point!Nah. That time in XCOM 2 when three of my best units got killed by an exploding car is. Harsh lessons were learned that day.
Okay bro.
What is with the GoT stans disagreeing with me while also agreeing with me
I watched the Red Wedding scene on YouTube the other day so I could know what people were talking about, and I was underwhelmed?
People make it sound like some massive massacre, but it's just a handful of slightly badly acted main characters, and the other "civilian" (I guess?) deaths are mostly off-screen. All the focus is on the named characters. Obviously it doesn't really impact me, because I haven't watched more than a few episodes. So the shock value there seems directly related to your personal investment of the characters.
Contrast to No Russian, where it's tasteless, edgy shock value that doesn't seem to have anything really building up to it. It's just, "Kill a ton of civilians in a mass shooting simulator". It doesn't rely on your knowledge or investment in anything, it's just offensive for the sake of it.
No, it's not.
How do you judge the acting when you have no idea who the character is or their personality?
I watched the Red Wedding scene on YouTube the other day so I could know what people were talking about, and I was underwhelmed?
People make it sound like some massive massacre, but it's just a handful of slightly badly acted main characters, and the other "civilian" (I guess?) deaths are mostly off-screen. All the focus is on the named characters. Obviously it doesn't really impact me, because I haven't watched more than a few episodes. So the shock value there seems directly related to your personal investment of the characters.
Contrast to No Russian, where it's tasteless, edgy shock value that doesn't seem to have anything really building up to it. It's just, "Kill a ton of civilians in a mass shooting simulator". It doesn't rely on your knowledge or investment in anything, it's just offensive for the sake of it.
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This is the real difference, in addition to the fact that IW was pushing No Russian before the game even came out, so it had no surpriseAlso, the OP post sort of encapsulates why people (including David Benioff and D. B. Weiss) seem to misunderstand the Red Wedding scene and its legacy. The scene isn't about "shock value." It's not like George R. R. Martin decided to throw darts at a dartboard and went "Welp, I guess Robb Stark is gonna die in this chapter." It's not some random heinous event he threw into the book to shock people. It's the logical culmination of a series of severe tactical mistakes that Robb makes throughout the books. In a traditional fantasy story, Robb would suffer no consequences for these mistakes because he's "the good guy" and a noble man, but ASOIAF is a realistic world where people who make mistakes pay the price for them.
The correct reaction to the Red Wedding isn't supposed to be "Holy shit, I didn't see that coming," it's "Holy shit, why didn't I see that coming?" That's what makes it a good twist and that's what its many imitators fail to understand.
Purely in terms of shock value does the MW2 "No Russian" level rank as one of the most shocking moments in gaming history?
"No Russian" was spoiled all over gaming media weeks before the game released so no, not really.
A more analogous situation would be the surprise nuke in CoD4 where your player character and everyone else gets killed.
The entire event is meant to be pretty awkward and uncomfortable leading up to the killings. It's meant to be a bit "off" in a way. At least, that's how I remember it from the books.There were just moments that jumped out at me. My gut reaction was "Oh, oof. That was slightly embarrassing for me to hear and see. The set-up and delivery was weird and felt unnatural enough to take me out of it."
Not to nitpick, but in that case it would be called "No English" as "No Russian" is in reference to not speaking Russian.On the one hand i'd be curious to know what would have been the reactions if it was "No American" instead (US would have banned the game from the country and whined about it for years).
On the other the way that came out "illegally" leaked, the guy who was heavily involved in its development, and how Activision tried so hard to milk it with other releases, it all sounds like that scene was intentionally created as a marketing scheme, to create some fake controversy.
I don't even know what's the other.
The closest thing to a Red Wedding of Video Games in my experience is probably Mass Effect 2, just in terms of how it's supposed to get an emotional response from the consumer, with the distinction that Shepard's mistakes are supposed to feel like your mistakes. Branding the end of it the "suicide mission" hardcore telegraphs it though, and was even used in marketing.
Anyone who kills two lamewads like Smoke and Kabal in one go is cool in my book.
Yeah, same here. It was a brutal scene, sure, but I had weeks of mental preparedness whereas Red Wedding came out of nowhere (never read the books).No Russian being spoiled everywhere robbed the scene of any potential impact it may have had. It was all over the place before launch
Final Fantasy going multi-platform was the betryal heard all around the realm
This. Not only that, there is a big "discomfort" throughout the entire Cat POV, like something in the back of your head saying "you don't really think this is really going to end all well and good, right?"Also, the OP post sort of encapsulates why people (including David Benioff and D. B. Weiss) seem to misunderstand the Red Wedding scene and its legacy. The scene isn't about "shock value." It's not like George R. R. Martin decided to throw darts at a dartboard and went "Welp, I guess Robb Stark is gonna die in this chapter." It's not some random heinous event he threw into the book to shock people. It's the logical culmination of a series of severe tactical mistakes that Robb makes throughout the books. In a traditional fantasy story, Robb would suffer no consequences for these mistakes because he's "the good guy" and a noble man, but ASOIAF is a realistic world where people who make mistakes pay the price for them.
The correct reaction to the Red Wedding isn't supposed to be "Holy shit, I didn't see that coming," it's "Holy shit, why didn't I see that coming?" That's what makes it a good twist and that's what its many imitators fail to understand.
It's a 10-1 favorite at the Belmont Stakes.
Final Fantasy going multi-platform was the betryal heard all around the realm
Good answer.No, because RW killed off characters the audience cared about.
No Russian was just shock value for the sake of it.