Is there a need to go higher than 4k?

[Vex]

What do y'all think?

I mean like yah 4k looks nice... Over 1080p...

But 4k and 8k barely look any different considering the horsepower needed to run 8k stuff. Monitors aren't going to get any bigger. Not like they need to. So the higher resolutions will be lost at some point yah? Diminishing returns and all that yah?

Im not really good at stuff like this but you guys get me yah?

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YAH?

 

[RockmanBN]

I want 2.147M.

 

[nsilvias]

There's literally no point. 4k is the MP3 of resolution.

 

[Deleted member 8468]

If the numbers ever stop going up, I don't even know what we're doing here.

 

[Betty]

Somewhere far down the road they'll market 8k to get us to buy new tv's.

But for now 4k is still just taking off.

 

[Barnabas Reynolds]

At 8K image quality is going to be fantastic, so yeah, I want 8K eventually.

 

[Deleted member 41931]

For me at least, not really. I already find over 1440p to start having diminishing returns. There's a notable difference when jumping to 4k, but its something you adjust to way quicker then previous resolution jumps. If we can do it, then sure, why not. I'd rather that power go to foliage and the like.

Now for large tvs and VR, that's a different situation.

 

[TheBaldwin]

I mean, the human eye can only see 720P and 30fps so whats the point ?

Spoiler

;)

 

[Heid]

For TVs and phones? Not for me

But for TV and phones so it can come to VR? Oh yah sure its totally necessary make 16K TVs already

 

[CrazyAndy]

8K and 4K look barely different? What? Of course there's a need to go higher than 4K. Maybe not now but definitely in the future.

 

[Deleted member 4034]

Have you not seen 8K?

 

[Powerofthecloud]

Sure there is if screens are getting bigger. Also render resolution at 4k still leave a lot to be desired with draw distances. 8k or 16k for backgrounds will show improvements.

Overall though 4k is nice. I am more concerned about rendering than pixels once we get to 4k levels IMO. Best example and come up is if you look at a movie that's in 4K versus a game that's in 4K the movies going to look absolutely better because it's basically not constrained by any resolution from which it was drawn.

 

[garion333]

People have been asking this question for years and the answer, so far, continues to be yes.

 

[Datajoy]

Ready for
8K 5G VR

 

[Basarili]

They will have to come up with new stuff to replace the now exsisting HDR, OLED etc. So maybe not the resolution, but other improvements will or might be implented.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Ready for
8K 5G VR

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[Duxxy3]

I think we're nearly at the point where movies, television and streaming are about to pass gaming technology in terms of resolution. Gaming technology already struggles, mightily, at 4k gaming. PC gaming in 4k is ridonkulously expensive. 8k isn't that far away, and the requirements for that are going to be enormous. I think gaming is going to lag years behind, or use lots of smoke and mirrors to appear 8k.

 

[Dinjooh]

This is gonna be a lot of back on forth over meaningless shit. But it's basically a matter of distance / size.

For my living room I'm not willing to go higher than 55" for aesthetic reasons and at my seating distance I will never need higher than 4K, which is already stretching it.

 

[Dankir]

HDR is a bigger deal for me than 4K. I want to see where we go from HDR10+ / Dolby Vision.

Games in 4k HDR are spectacular, 4k blu Ray's in Dolby Vision are incredible as well.

 

[Shoe]

It'll be noticeable in huge movie theater sized projectors and in VR, but beyond that the benefits will be pretty imperceptible

 

[sugarless]

Better resolution will always be better in the abstract but right now, most people are probably pushing the necessity of 4K depending on their living room setup in terms of TV size vs viewing distance. I don't think 8K will really be needed for a while, nor do I think devs are ready to start prepping assets that size for it.

 

[texhnolyze]

Well, people used to ask the same question about 1080p when 720p was still mainstream, so...

 

[pswii60]

I think 4K is fine for 55". But if I upgrade to 65" I'd probably want higher.

 

[Cutebrute]

Some films are shot at a resolution equivalent to 6k and 8k, so we will be asked to upgrade at some point or another. But 4k will be the standard for a long time - streaming services, television, and games will have a ways to go before they can justify going beyond 4k to mainstream audiences.

 

[Aleh]

4K already feels unnecessary. Do y'all glue yourselves to TVs and monitors or what?

 

[Chivalry]

Maybe for VR, but not for tvs/monitors.

 

[LazyLain]

Is aliasing still a problem? Then yes we need to go higher.

 

[Vanillalite]

Yes the higher the better for VR.

Standard TV is pretty much good at 4K similar to the MP3 argument ie it can be better, but it's appreciably the same for most people.

In the future if we figure out where to go after we hit 5nm and just have crazy power to spare for 8k and beyond why the fuck not?

It's not pressing or anything for standard displays though.

 

[Jedi2016]

Considering most games aren't coming anywhere close, I think it's a safe bet it'll be the target for a while.

But then, that's thinking like a normal person. Hardware makers and developers were already touting 4K when the vast majority of them hadn't even hit 1080p yet, so who am I kidding?

TV manufacturers are doing the same thing with 8K. Most theatrical releases are still being mastered at 2K, much less 4K. It's all about marketing rather than reality.

 

[Mifec]

4K already feels unnecessary. Do y'all glue yourselves to TVs and monitors or what?

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You don't need to do that to enjoy the benefits of high resolution. Not sure if you're joking.

 

[Sapo84]

I honestly don't see much difference from a good 70mm and 4k projection from normal viewing distance (70mm should be sharper).
I would honestly prefer higher frame rates to another increase in resolution, and regarding games there are a thousands things that are more important than resolution: details of models, lightning, reflections, effects, textures etc etc.

 

[Dezzy]

I don't even feel the need for 4K on gaming consoles. It's already hard to tell when something is 4K or just upscaled or anti-aliased well sitting 8 feet away from a 60" TV.
Even when games are 4K, it all looks like a mess when turning/scrolling anyway due to the 30 fps games usually run at on consoles.
We should get better performance at 4K before looking beyond that. Higher resolution gives minimal gain at this point.

 

[GMM]

Absolutely, resolving graphics in higher resolutions will always be beneficial to the material, but the returns will dimish based on the size of the screen, sitting distance and the vision of the viewer.

But in reality all of this is limited by whatever hardware will drive the output and games will probably be stuck in 4K land for the next 10 years since the big improvements will not come from increasing the resolution further, the next step for games is increasing rendering accuracy by utilizing technology like real-time ray-tracing to move away from prebaked game worlds.

 

[Black Chamber]

I often wonder about this. Like for example, what "K" is human vision? Once televisions reach that, then there is no going higher since we can't see higher than our own vision lol

 

[Flandy]

For TVs? Not for a while
For monitors? Not sure
For VR? We definitely need to go higher especially once eye tracking arrives in consumer headsets

 

[cowbanana]

I'm fine with 1080p.

Resolutions beyond that are the least important aspect of video game visuals for me. I'd rather have 60 fps on everything.

 

[Mifec]

I often wonder about this. Like for example, what "K" is human vision? Once televisions reach that, then there is no going higher since we can't see higher than our own vision lol

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Look at how much detail is gained here just at 6880x288, we're far from reaching any sorts of limits.

Screwing around in the RE2 demo a bit more with my CE table + ReShade for DoF

Will have so much more fun with the final game :)

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[Aleh]

You don't need to do that to enjoy the benefits of high resolution. Not sure if you're joking.

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I'm saying those benefits are extremely small and unnecessary, not that they don't exist

 

[GhostTrick]

Yes there is. For downsampling. Or just for crazy sharp screens. Especially computer monitors.

But yeah, it's always the same: Useless until it hits mainstream.
People said 720p was enough.
Then 1080p was enough.
Then 4k was enough.

 

[Mifec]

I'm saying those benefits are extremely small and unnecessary, not that they don't exist

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Yeah the amount of added detail and fixed hair dithering kinda goes against what you're saying in the post above.

 

[Deleted member 135]

I don't think you even need more than 1440p.

I'd take 1440p downsampled to 1080p over native 4K any day.

That's why I am glad that Ace Combat 7 didn't go for 4K on the Pro/X and instead focused on 60fps.

 

[Zexen]

Tbh, it vastly depends on the PPI your eyes are able to see and the distance you are from the screen.

 

[borat]

I often wonder about this. Like for example, what "K" is human vision? Once televisions reach that, then there is no going higher since we can't see higher than our own vision lol

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human vision doesn't work like that. the centre of our vision is very sharp but the peripheral is not

 

[wikitoups]

Can I get a $200-300 4K tv (let's say 32-40 inch) that have decent game console options? Cause this is the price point for a lot of people, and it's usually Walmart tier TVs.

 

[Enrico25]

There wasn't even a need for 4K. 1080p is perfectly fine.

 

[JayBee]

I feel like 1080 is still good enough for me. I always dial it back to 1080 cuz I don't see much difference

 

[Maneil99]

1080p has lasted 14 years in the console space. I expect 4K to last around the same.

 

[digitalrelic]

No reason at all to go beyond 4K, virtually ever, outside of VR. 99% of people would never benefit from it. Higher framerates, better animations, better AI, more things on screen, better effects, etc.. etc.. all make infinitely more sense than going beyond 4K any time soon.

 

[Deleted member 17092]

I think eventually 8k will be the standard but it's going to take like 20+ years for it to be at all the norm. 4k will eventually be the cable standard and that will stick for at least 20 years.

 

[gabdeg]

For real time 3D rendered graphics you could probably even make the argument for 16K on a large screen. 8K already looks phenomenal on my 55 inch. Cleans up any image quality deficiencies. At 4k you still need a good AA solution for the image to look good.