Is there a need to go higher than 4k?

[hey it's that dog]

Mainstream gaming hasn't even hit 4K yet with a few outliers as exceptions.

Unless a mainstream audience suddenly has room in their homes and budgets for 80" screens as the norm, the "need" for 8K is a long way off.

That doesn't mean nobody should be working on it but right now it would be a huge waste of computing power even for the most expensive GPUs.

 

[TheGhost]

If a 8k tv comes out, I'm buying it and I'm going to want the most out of my TV. It's why the X became my main console. I'm always going to roll with the system that will utilize every bit of resolution on my TV, natively.

This sounds like a mid gen update issue though.

 

[Mr Swine]

I think that the mid gen refreshes of the next gen consoles will go with 8k resolution

 

[Kizuna]

For regular gamers using a normal TV? Probably not.
But TV manufacturers will probably manage to sell most of us on new! better! smoother! screens anyway, give it a couple of years.

VR is an entirely different beast in that regard though.

 

[Revolsin]

I stopped at 720p

 

[janusff]

8K or bust

 

[Bumrush]

I mean, when you're talking 55" TVs, sure 8K might be overkill depending on view distance. But 8K is going to make those 88"+ TVs look so unbelievable.

Also, 8K will improve depth of image and potentially allow for glasses free 3D or at least a 3D effect

 

[Richietto]

For certain size screens yeah there isn't much need to go higher. But for larger TVs then closer distances there will be a place for 8k

 

[Soundchaser]

VR needs higher resolutions, not sure about anything else.

 

[clay_ghost]

I mean, when you're talking 55" TVs, sure 8K might be overkill depending on view distance. But 8K is going to make those 88"+ TVs look so unbelievable.

Also, 8K will improve depth of image and potentially allow for glasses free 3D or at least a 3D effect

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For most of the world, People don't live in big enough homes that are suitable to fit an 88 inch TV.

 

[Roukira]

I'd actually be interested to know what are the estimates of which resolution we should be aiming for at last (if there's any). I know that VR require much higher resolution right now.

 

[Orbit]

In honor of James Cameron/south park, why not? lol let's 'raise the bar' always.

 

[RM8]

Hard to say there is, when games struggle to maintain 60fps at 1080p.

 

[Astronut325]

I'm not seeing the value of anything beyond 4K.

 

[ArmadilloGame]

Is there a need on the consumer side? Absolutely not. 4k is FAR more detailed than the average viewer cares about. No important detail had trouble getting conveyed thanks to tv blurriness.

Is there a need on the seller side to always have a new gimmick so you feel the need to rebuy all your tvs every 4 years? Absolutely. CRT to 720p to 1080p to 3DTV (remember that?) to 4k to whatever the next gimmick is. Could be 8k. Could be bendability. Could be something entirely new. But the next gimmick is absolutely coming and not because consumers need it.

 

[RationalGinger]

1440p 144hz is good enough for me.

 

[Commodore64]

More is always better but I can see 4k being the standard with higher framerates if VR remains relevant.

 

[Slam Tilt]

There will be a need to go higher when display manufacturers need another gimmick to goose sales.

 

[BizzyBum]

I need all the resolutions.

 

[Deleted member 2840]

But yeah, it's always the same: Useless until my favorite console company tells me it's the next big thing.

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Fixed.

 

[Windu]

Until its as good as real life, there is always room for improvement.

 

[clay_ghost]

There will be a need to go higher when display manufacturers need another gimmick to goose sales.

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It worked so far because TV got larger and consumers can still see the difference from 2K to 4K but most homes are only big enough for maybe a 50 to 60 inch TV (Some will require a much much smaller TV). Manufacturers have to think of some other stuffs than an increase in Res in 5 plus years times since for you can't really see the difference for the same TV size.

 

[Anthony Hopkins]

Yes because AA is still needed.

 

[DammitLloyd]

It's necessary so Nvidia/AMD have the motivation to push their gpu performance even more. Then I can stay at 4k and enjoy high frame rates max settings when they can do 8k30

 

[low-G]

I still think 4K is kinda unneeded with the current fidelity of games, I'd be all for 1440p if it was a clean factor of 1080p.

I won't be going 4K until we can do 4K 60fps with raytracing...

 

[Tailzo]

For VR I would welcome high resolutions. See you 480fps 32k VR in 20 years.

 

[Bumrush]

For most of the world, People don't live in big enough homes that are suitable to fit an 88 inch TV.

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I don't disagree with that. I was answering about my spot

 

[SturokBGD]

"Need".

SMH.

 

[LuigiV]

Yes because 8K is the lowest standard HD+ resolution that 480p can integer scale too, so we need to hit at least that.

 

[Celcius]

Considering how long I stayed on 1080p, I think 4K will last a long time.

 

[Slam Tilt]

It worked so far because TV got larger and consumers can still see the difference from 2K to 4K but most homes are only big enough for maybe a 50 to 60 inch TV (Some will require a much much smaller TV). Manufacturers have to think of some other stuffs than an increase in Res in 5 plus years times since for you can't really see the difference for the same TV size.

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I have a 60" TV and most of the stuff we watch is 720p or less. But then we're all a bunch of luddites anyway. :-)

 

[Dphex]

I think eventually 8k will be the standard but it's going to take like 20+ years for it to be at all the norm. 4k will eventually be the cable standard and that will stick for at least 20 years.

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this, they will settle for 4K as the norm and even for this to happen we have a long way to go.

 

[Bumrush]

Until its as good as real life, there is always room for improvement.

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Exactly. Until you can't tell whether or not it's a TV or a window, there is more work to be done.

 

[Crayon]

Okay let's burn most the cycles rendering at 4k so everything is super duper sharp... just how we like it. Then choo choo here comes the effects train.

How bout some fxaa to soften those edges. Dof to blur that backround out. Lens flare and bokeh to blur the foreground. Ca and vingette to blow out the edges there. Here ya go baby motion blur to blur everyhing that moves! Then some film grain so you know nothing is too sharp... just how we like it.

 

[SixelAlexiS]

For me even 4k is completely unnecessary and a waste of resources, the next gen will be less interesting thanks to the resolution pursue instead of stick on 1080p and push on technical aspects and AI behavior.

Probably 1440p is the sweet spot in term of definition with a monitor, ppl want 4k only cause they are stuck with a 4k tv that lack of definition at anything under the panel resolution. Stick with a good 1080p tv is still the best choice on consoles.

 

[Aiustis]

Should wait until 4k is the norm.
I'm fine being in 1080 land.
Also as we increasingly move to phones over tvs world, it will matter even less.

 

[astro]

4k is already pointless if you have to play at 60 Hz imo.

Until 144 Hz monitors become affordable, 1440 is the sweet spot.

 

[Replicant]

Yes there is. For downsampling. Or just for crazy sharp screens. Especially computer monitors.

But yeah, it's always the same: Useless until it hits mainstream.
People said 720p was enough.
Then 1080p was enough.
Then 4k was enough.

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No one said 720p is enough. The difference now is 4K is at the point where you wouldn't see the benefit anything higher at the screen sizes that home has. And that's the truth. 8k would be awesome on a projection screen.

 

[SixelAlexiS]

Vex can you please add an "I'll prefer to stick with 1080p" in the poll? Thank you.

 

[Rendering...]

16K gay porn can and will fill up all my hard drive space.

 

[Deleted member 5604]

For regular stuff, no. Unless you're sitting like 2 feet away from your ridiculously huge TV, or have a 100+ inch dispay, it really will not be noticeable and would be a massive waste of rendering resources as well for games. But 8k will get pushed on us eventually for folks looking to have the latest other features on TVs.

For VR, higher resolutions will come in handy. Not sure when we reach the point of (does not look any better) res wise in that, maybe 8k per eye or something, but headsets are also playing around with different FOVs so they may require custom higher resolutions that even that possibly so that everything looks good.

 

[SprachBrooks]

There's always a need for higher resolution.

 

[GhostTrick]

No one said 720p is enough. The difference now is 4K is at the point where you wouldn't see the benefit anything higher at the screen sizes that home has. And that's the truth. 8k would be awesome on a projection screen.

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Yes, people used to say 720p was enough.
And getting a picture 4 times more defined is noticeable.

 

[RivalGT]

For larger TV's maybe, right now 4K looks fine on a 55 inch to me. When running games at 4K and 8k on my 27inch 4K screen I could not tell the difference. But if you zoom in on both 4K and 8K screens, you can pick up the extra detail that an 8K display would provide. I think for gaming higher resolution will always be better, especially for VR, as the screen is right next to your eyes.

 

[klastical]

Look forward to 3d 4k tvs in the near future then. Theres always gotta be a gimick.

 

[Dead Man Typing]

I wonder if we'll move away from fixed pixel displays at some point.

Then the whole thing can start again when we count how many photon waves or whatever a display has.

Until then, more pixels please.

 

[Replicant]

Yes, people used to say 720p was enough.
And getting a picture 4 times more defined is noticeable.

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At 65" and 5 feet away..I'm not sure. You can't even spot pixels now with 4K at that distance.

 

[pestul]

When Fahrenheit 451 Wall TVs are the norm.. maybe. It really isn't necessary today. I mean just look at the justifications for 8k in this thread. They're very niche (but I guess the same could be said for 4K and they went there anyway). I think they will go there just because they have to sell something new tbh.

 

[turbobrick]

I voted no, but then again I'm also fine with 1080p.

 

[abracadaver]

I'm still at 1440p

4K will be my last resolution. Any higher is a waste of performance