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Is this Paz Ortega Ground Zeroes reference in Smash Ultimate accidental or on purpose
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The best way to handle the mess that is MGS5 is to laugh at it with self-deprecating humour.
I buy zero of the offence people say they are taking to a Nintendo fighting game on behalf of teenagers.
I buy zero of the offence people say they are taking to a Nintendo fighting game on behalf of teenagers.
It doesnt reference which bomb, torture is shitty also. It's a cheeky reference that you would only know if you played the games. I would understand the issue if the spirits had descriptions and flat out said it or made a joke but that isn't the case.
Yeah, they state that she's coming equipped with a bomb, but they don't reference any of the circumstances behind why that's an important plot point for her character, at least with what I've seen.
Can y'all who are so up in arms about this only get your kicks reading Sensible Chuckle magazine or what
(Not that I'm knocking Sensible Chuckle of course)
(Not that I'm knocking Sensible Chuckle of course)
He didn't though, that was all a hallucination after the fact.
I don't really think there's a big issue. I'm just surprised that this dark of a joke would make it into Smash of all things, as are 99% of the people in this thread.
There were two bombs in her. The first one was put in her by cutting open her stomach and putting it in there.
Since the spirits have no descriptions its up to personal interpretation which one of the bombs is being referred to.
But let's be real: Why would Sakurai choose the one in the vagina to refer to?
I mean, of course it's on purpose. They thought about what makes the most sense to give her, since the abilities are really limited anyway and this made the most sense cause there is a connection.
Smart and good.
Smart and good.
This thread has gone so far lmao
Imagine Sakurai literally thinking which bomb should he refer to, "normal" or "vaginal", and then chooses "normal" in the end, phew.
I found Paz's treatment in GZ eyerolling and distasteful
I still find the surprise and darkness of the reference hilarious as fuck
Nah. Kids wouldn't get the reference. Lots of media aimed at kids has things in it in adults (or older kids) will get. It's just an obscure reference that only bigger fans of the series the character is from will get.
to expand my other post with an analogy, I find this on the level on the long-running meme making fun of "Loss", another distasteful and jarring piece of pop culture history
Loss is bad, Paz in GZ is bad
Loss is poorly written, Paz in GZ is poorly written
They both barely fit in their universes and were done almost purely for shock
People know this and make fun out of it
Loss is bad, Paz in GZ is bad
Loss is poorly written, Paz in GZ is poorly written
They both barely fit in their universes and were done almost purely for shock
People know this and make fun out of it
Sakurai was at the very least okay with this, if not directly responible
Yeah, I agree with this. The only way to make sense of this is that it's a reference making fun on how bad the whole Paz plot is. But the ugly thing is that Kojima has history of treating his women characters poorly see Meryl (implies being raped by soldiers) , Eva(sexual slave to Volgin), Strangelove (lesbian in a toxic relationship with Hal Emmerich and gets murdered by him, creepy oil massage with Paz), Quiet (Sexual Object with a ridiculous backstory to explain while she runs around dressed like a hooker), Cécile in PW (you find in her in undies in a forest as soldiers undressed her so she wouldn't run away).
Not that! I was referring to what happens next in The Phantom Pain.
That people are literally going "think of the children" over something that no one will get unless they are aware of the M-rated games plot is pretty amazing.
What he means is that the second bomb was never removed.
The hallucination/delusion is that she survived at all. What you see in Ground Zeroes is the truth.
It's dark humor. I don't see the controversy here.
It's a simple reference to her fate in MGSV. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, it's pretty dark. But the way it is referenced is the funny part. It's not shown, it's not even directly implied. It's just referenced. Paz and a bomb. Nothing more, nothing less. Could mean a lot of things to people who didn't play MGSV.
It's a simple reference to her fate in MGSV. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, it's pretty dark. But the way it is referenced is the funny part. It's not shown, it's not even directly implied. It's just referenced. Paz and a bomb. Nothing more, nothing less. Could mean a lot of things to people who didn't play MGSV.
Well...Wasn't she raped and then had multiple bombs forcibly placed inside her, before having one surgically removed and the other being the result of her eventual death?
I mean, yeah it's a video game, but I dunno how that's funny...just kinda gross I guess.
Nobody is suggesting that is funny. What's funny is how Smash is representing the fact she had a bomb inside her, that's it.
Why, Nintendo, would you not give her a banana gun, an item usable in the game she originated from, over a bomb which was her cause of death? Is the banana gun OP? Is it already taken by some other spirit?
Hah. You're absolutely right about that. People seem to somehow find humor in some pretty weird/disturbing stuff...
Why does it even matter which bomb it is specifically referencing? She had a bomb shoved in her vag regardless, so associating her with bob-omb looks bad still - whether intetional or not. Aside from that, she was raped repeatedly and then had bombs planted in her. The bombs were like the final "fuck you" in her horrific treatment in the game. None of this looks good enough to laugh at to me.
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Yeah, it's totally out of character for both the Smash series and Nintendo in general. Not necessarily saying it should cause outrage/be removed, but nobody can argue that it's a risqué joke for a series/company that's usually so careful and family friendly.
I mean, let's lay it all out, a Nintendo first party developer just made a Vagina Bomb joke, yeah...
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I didn't read that from the scene, I always imagined that he was forcing open her previously sutured wound. Now I like MGSV a little less.
Zero seemed to do alright mostly. Same with Sigint up until he dies in MGS1
I find Zero his fate actually quite sad. He sacrifices a lot for Big Boss but Big boss died thinking Zero hated him.