I was actually just building a system for Half Life so this thread is perfect timing. A friend of mine is selling this for $500.00 is it a decent stop gap while waiting for new stuff to be released?
DEEPCOOL MATREXX 55 RGB Mid Tower ATX Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass Front and Side
6X 120mm case fans
MSI X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, Gbt LAN, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
16gb DDR4 3200 Ram
1,000 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
MSI RX5700 Mech OC GPU
MasterLiquid Lite 120mm ARGB CPU Liquid Cooler with Dual Chamber Pump & Copper Cold Plate
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz [3.6GHz Turbo] Six-Core 16MB
Considering an RX 5700 runs $300+, that's not a bad build. Assuming it has a half-decent SSD.I was actually just building a system for Half Life so this thread is perfect timing. A friend of mine is selling this for $500.00 is it a decent stop gap while waiting for new stuff to be released?
DEEPCOOL MATREXX 55 RGB Mid Tower ATX Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass Front and Side
6X 120mm case fans
MSI X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, Gbt LAN, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
16gb DDR4 3200 Ram
1,000 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
MSI RX5700 Mech OC GPU
MasterLiquid Lite 120mm ARGB CPU Liquid Cooler with Dual Chamber Pump & Copper Cold Plate
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz [3.6GHz Turbo] Six-Core 16MB
You know, the beauty of PC parts is that you can buy them...and then sell them! If you build a PC and three months later, some video card come out that you just have to have, you can sell your card and make back most of what you spent.
That said, unless you know that new CPUs or video cards are getting announced in like a month, I don't think waiting makes sense. For example, nVidia and AMD are both rumored to announce new high-end cards in March. To build a new PC, I recommend you buy everything now EXCEPT the video card. Stick with your 970 or whatever you have and throw it into a new Ryzen 3600 or i5-9400f. When the new cards get announced, get one and sell the 970.
You don't need to build everything at once!
Seriously, even an RX 570 still does well today. Buy a cheap one, used or new, and a few months down the road get the new hotness and sell the lower card, or just use it as a backup.
i understand that completely. There is always something better coming, but it seems like we're in for some significant upgrades
The reason people say it's a great time to buy a CPU is that we aren't expecting any large upgrades any time soon. AMD's Ryzen 4000 series is not going to be a giant leap in performance, it'll likely be a small incremental upgrade. Meanwhile Intel doesn't seem to know what it's doing and is currently releasing high priced crap.I saw a few comments saying that "CPUs are fine", but that's not true. Next-gen consoles will have something like this:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 3.2 GHz
If a next-gen AAA game runs at 30 fps on this CPU, what do you think you will get with this CPU:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 4.2 GHz (= Ryzen 3700X)
I can tell you right now, it won't be 60 fps. This might even be a problem when Zen 3 releases. And forget about 120 / 144 / 165 fps.
I saw a few comments saying that "CPUs are fine", but that's not true. Next-gen consoles will have something like this:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 3.2 GHz
If a next-gen AAA game runs at 30 fps on this CPU, what do you think you will get with this CPU:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 4.2 GHz (= Ryzen 3700X)
I can tell you right now, it won't be 60 fps. This might even be a problem when Zen 3 releases. And forget about 120 / 144 / 165 fps.
If you are mostly interested in AAA games and getting the best bang for your bucks, the answer at the start of a new console generation will always be, get a console. Not only will you get very good hardware for an unbeatable price, you can also be sure that all games of the next 7 years will run without any problems.
As the new generation goes on, PC gaming will again become attractive price-wise, and higher frame-rates will be easier to achieve. Of course if you are interested in some of the unique advantages of the PC eco system, this doesn't matter that much.
I think the real answer there is your framerate will depend far more on GPU than CPU. Yes, getting a new console will be cheaper than trying to build a PC to play the same games. But there's still a lot of people who aren't making an either-or choice there. They have games on the PC side that just aren't available on console, but want to build something that'll handle the games released in a new console generation.I saw a few comments saying that "CPUs are fine", but that's not true. Next-gen consoles will have something like this:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 3.2 GHz
If a next-gen AAA game runs at 30 fps on this CPU, what do you think you will get with this CPU:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 4.2 GHz (= Ryzen 3700X)
I can tell you right now, it won't be 60 fps. This might even be a problem when Zen 3 releases. And forget about 120 / 144 / 165 fps.
If you are mostly interested in AAA games and getting the best bang for your bucks, the answer at the start of a new console generation will always be, get a console. Not only will you get very good hardware for an unbeatable price, you can also be sure that all games of the next 7 years will run without any problems.
As the new generation goes on, PC gaming will again become attractive price-wise, and higher frame-rates will be easier to achieve. Of course if you are interested in some of the unique advantages of the PC eco system, this doesn't matter that much.
Very true! But if it isn't important that it is portable than go with a desktop.If you want a gaming laptop, OP, then go for it. I'm glad I did. You're going to get slightly beefier components by building, but if the portability of the laptop appeals to you, don't concede that just because a bunch of people told you to.
I know, I know. There is always something new coming out, and if I keep thinking like this, I will never build my PC.
I have a $1000 budget, and I was planning on getting a laptop with an RTX 2060 but Era convinced me not to (because it was a laptop). So, I decided to build my own. But it really feels like this is the worst time to build my own system.
- RTX cards these days are still in its infancy, and it would be better to wait for next gen
- HDMI 2.1 is going to be very important
- PCI 5.0/6.0 is coming out very soon
- USB 4.0 is also coming out very soon
- DDR5 is also coming out very soon
As far as I know, we are at the end of many specs. It feels like building a system right now would be like purchasing an Xbox One X or PS4 Pro now, when the Series X and PS5 are coming out very soon.
I saw a few comments saying that "CPUs are fine", but that's not true. Next-gen consoles will have something like this:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 3.2 GHz
If a next-gen AAA game runs at 30 fps on this CPU, what do you think you will get with this CPU:
Zen 2, 8 cores / 16 threads @ 4.2 GHz (= Ryzen 3700X)
I can tell you right now, it won't be 60 fps. This might even be a problem when Zen 3 releases. And forget about 120 / 144 / 165 fps.
If you are mostly interested in AAA games and getting the best bang for your bucks, the answer at the start of a new console generation will always be, get a console. Not only will you get very good hardware for an unbeatable price, you can also be sure that all games of the next 7 years will run without any problems.
As the new generation goes on, PC gaming will again become attractive price-wise, and higher frame-rates will be easier to achieve. Of course if you are interested in some of the unique advantages of the PC eco system, this doesn't matter that much.
Considering an RX 5700 runs $300+, that's not a bad build. Assuming it has a half-decent SSD.
An R5 1600 wouldn't be what I'd pick for a new build today, but it's something you can upgrade down the road.
You're not going to be CPU bound at 4k unless your CPU is ancient. Probably not even 1440p.
RTX sucks anyway, right now, but it's easiest to upgrade a GPU of all of your components. So, buy a decent mid-range GPU and upgrade in a few years if you really feel the need.
HDMI 2.1 isn't life-changing. Don't wait on that.
PCIe 5/6 are YEARS away. Don't wait on those.
USB4.0 isn't gonna change your gameplay. Don't wait on that.
DDR5 isn't gonna change your gameplay. Don't wait on that.
AKA, go get one of those $150 Ryzen 3600's from Micro Center, throw in $60 of DDR4 16GB, add a cheap 500 GB SSD, get a $70 motherboard, add a $300 GPU, add a $65 PSU, get a $40 case. You're done. Great gaming Rig for $600 or so.
Great question Ill ask about the storage.
When are we expecting all the new GPU's to be released?
Microcenter had an incredible deal this past weekend. 2600X for only 80 dollars. And 20 dollars off any motherboard. Maybe some still have the deal on going. Got the CPU and an ASrock 320 board for only 100 dollars.
The situation with graphics cards is special now because we haven't had an upgrade in performance/price since 2016 and we're about to get one this year. Everything else you mentioned is a small upgrade.It's always the "worst time" to build a PC, because there is always some tech that is 6 months out that will make a huge difference if you wait.
For example: If you wait to build your PC based on Nvidia's graphics tech released in 3 months, you might as well wait another 3 months and get the latest CPU generation. But then you may as well wait till 2021 to see what's announced on the DDR5 front. Then you might as well wait and see what AMD has announced for it's new GPU tech 3 months later. But then you might as well wait another 3-6 months to see what the latest CPUs from intel look like.
This is the PC gaming world way. If you're really worried about one specific component, get a low-to-mid range version of whatever you expect to be replaced to hold you over till the next big thing hits, then sell your current one on ebay for some return.
I know, I know. There is always something new coming out, and if I keep thinking like this, I will never build my PC.
I have a $1000 budget, and I was planning on getting a laptop with an RTX 2060 but Era convinced me not to (because it was a laptop). So, I decided to build my own. But it really feels like this is the worst time to build my own system.
- RTX cards these days are still in its infancy, and it would be better to wait for next gen
- HDMI 2.1 is going to be very important
- PCI 5.0/6.0 is coming out very soon
- USB 4.0 is also coming out very soon
- DDR5 is also coming out very soon
As far as I know, we are at the end of many specs. It feels like building a system right now would be like purchasing an Xbox One X or PS4 Pro now, when the Series X and PS5 are coming out very soon.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm planning to play games above Solitaire level of graphics though.
Might not be until September for Nvidia's new cards. AMD probably April at the earliest.
And afterwards [insert feature here]n+1 is coming out very soon. All that isn't too important. Just build your PC and have fun and enjoy PC gaming right now. With that budget of yours you can build something very decent.
- HDMI 2.1 is going to be very important
- PCI 5.0/6.0 is coming out very soon
- USB 4.0 is also coming out very soon
- DDR5 is also coming out very soon
This thread has me frustrated with the timing on the cyberpunk delay.
Had an r9 390. It was getting old and I figure it wouldn't run cyberpunk very well. Preorder the EVGA Ko 2060 and before I have it in hand, Cyberpunk is delayed. Trying hard not to think about how much further my $400-ish CAD budget would go in September š. Especially considering I would have had no issue waiting.