Isolated tribespeople believed to have killed US missionary who trespassed on remote island

Deleted member 13645 · Nov 21, 2018

This is a sad situation. It sucks he died, but there's only so many warnings and barriers that can be ignored before it's squarely on his shoulders.

Bdub79 said:
There is only 50 of them? Off topic I know but incest is gross. Guess it's okay to give em a pass yeah?

Isn't 50 far below the number needed to sustain a population? They're likely dying out. I think the number that was calculated for space missions is something like 160 people needed to self sustain.

It's sad their tribe will die out and there will be no documentation of its history, culture, etc. I'd love to know how they see the world.

GoldenEye 007 · Nov 21, 2018

eosos said:
Super weird that people are defending murder here. Sure the guy made a ridiculous mistake, but it didn't warrant his death and the immeasurable amount of grieving from his friends and family that will result from it. Very sad situation.

Self defense. His presence could lead to their death.

Buckle · Nov 21, 2018

Bdub79 said:
There is only 50 of them? Off topic I know but incest is gross. Guess it's okay to give em a pass yeah?

Well, I don't really know what the world could do for them at this point.

We tried contact a bunch of times, we died. We tried taking them off the island, they died and the children that were sent back might have brought back a bunch of shit with him.

Alimnassor · Nov 21, 2018

Murder is the only solution to them. Why the fuck would they waste resources looking after him as s slave or prisoner? They aren't stupid, they know what the modern world is and it's clear they want no part of it. I don't blame'em it's clear they know they're fucked if they make contact. Every other tribe has been eradicated. What future do they have? Living in poverty as their home is destroyed? We are the enemy to them, we'll destroy their very way of life. Dude insulted them, he violated their privacy and risked exposing them to disease. I don't have sympathy for him.

blinky · Nov 21, 2018

I'm obviously not going to defend the actions of the tribe, but the guy clearly knew that they were going to kill him if he insisted on going there. I feel bad for him in a way, but this is kind of like Grizzly Man where there was only one possible ending.

Heshinsi · Nov 21, 2018

Commedieu said:
The unwashed must hear the word of his LORD jesus christ! Else they can't go to heaven, because the bible was tragically mistranslated, and maliciously edited from all of the older source material. So these poor fucks in the cult think they MUST do this as their job/duty. They've been groomed into it.

Inuit:'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?'

Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.'

Inuit: 'Then why did you tell me?'

Quixzlizx · Nov 21, 2018

Not this time, Jesus. Not this time....

Alimnassor · Nov 21, 2018

Buckle said:
Well, I don't really know what the world could do for them at this point.

We tried contact a bunch of times, we died. We tried taking them off the island, they died and the children that were sent back might have brought back a bunch of shit with him.

Nothing, it would make things far worse. Even if they didn't die from disease they'd be stripped of their culture. All the other tribes in the area are facing extinction now. Go ask them how contact worked out for them. Ongwe have had their homes destroyed and their populace are alcoholic's now slowly fading away.

blinky said:
I'm obviously not going to defend the actions of the tribe, but the guy clearly knew that they were going to kill him if he insisted on going there. I feel bad for him in a way, but this is kind of like Grizzly Man where there was only one possible ending.

Why not? They are defending their home from an invasion. They don't know what he wants, or who he is but, as far they're concerned he's here to do them harm. Where 1 comes, more will follow.

Kurdel · Nov 21, 2018

vivftp said:
Star Trek's Earth has isolated tribes still as well :)

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Rubber_Tree_People

Of course they do, they would apply the Prime Directive to avoid fucking their shit up, or passing judgement on another culture's right to total independance.

Bdub79 · Nov 21, 2018

Marin-Lune said:
Sorry but, what kind of stupid comment/question is that??

I mean, why is it okay to let a failing tribe kill themselves out because of reasons?

Einchy · Nov 21, 2018

Bdub79 said:
There is only 50 of them? Off topic I know but incest is gross. Guess it's okay to give em a pass yeah?

Lol, what

808s & Villainy · Nov 21, 2018

Bdub79 said:
There is only 50 of them? Off topic I know but incest is gross. Guess it's okay to give em a pass yeah?

. . .

Kinggroin · Nov 21, 2018

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Missionary or not, they aren't looking for sympathy anyway.

And thankfully in his previous unsanctioned, illegal trips, he didn't infect the tribe with anything.

RIP and all that.

Deleted member 7082 · Nov 21, 2018

Bdub79 said:
There is only 50 of them? Off topic I know but incest is gross. Guess it's okay to give em a pass yeah?

Why can't you fuckers just be normal?

DragonKeeper · Nov 21, 2018

ThreePi said:
And that man's name was Albert Einstein.

That man's name was Daniel Everett, who wrote about his experiences in the book "Don't Sleep, There Are Snakes".

Duck Sauce · Nov 21, 2018

It was a win-win for him.

Convert them or die and see Jesus.

Gonzalez · Nov 21, 2018

GoldenEye 007 said:
Self defense. His presence could lead to their death.

Tribal stand your ground.

HStallion · Nov 21, 2018

Reminds me of the novel The Sparrow but with less hand mutilation and aliens.

BriGuy · Nov 21, 2018

Powdered Egg said:
That shit was self defense. Them T-Cells got rid of a virus.

Speaking of immune responses, there might be an argument to be made about how this guy's presence in itself could be super dangerous to the health of the island's inhabitants. Think about what happened to the Mayans, but on a smaller scale. I'm not saying that excuses this dude's murder, but he really should have thought this missionary trip out some more unless he wanted to put these people on the fast track to meeting Jesus one on one.

Bdub79 · Nov 21, 2018

Megatherium said:
Why can't you fuckers just be normal?

Lol.

Stepping out of this thread with a final thought. I feel sorry for the next generation of this tribe. With science advancements we should all (except for the tribe in question) know that the sustainability of said tribe is at its end. That's not fair to them in my opinion.

Zelda · Nov 21, 2018

So I guess they got his body back to verify all of this? Did it just float back or what?

nvm

the fishermen later saw the tribespeople dragging his body around."
The police haven't independently verified whether he is dead, but based on what the fishermen have told them believe that he was killed.
"We have a team out in the waters for reconnaissance and to strategize how to recover his body. The team consists of coastal guards, officials from tribal welfare department, forest department officers and police officials.

Cipherr · Nov 21, 2018

Arkaign said:
Can you imagine this behavior anywhere else? 'Sets foot in Norway' 'Gets an arrow to the throat and dragged around the streets'.

I mean, they aren't the only ones that defend their "borders" in terrible ways. Its easy to shit on them because they aren't connected to us, but seriously...

Mahonay · Nov 21, 2018

I have zero sympathy. It would be one thing if he showed up by accident.

He aggressively pursued a protected people (who have an existing history of killing intruders) that wanted nothing to do with him or his God. He went out of his way to go around authorities that specifically forbid contact for this reason, as well as the possibility of wiping them out with something as simple as the common cold.

Play stupid games, yadda yadda yadda.

Kater · Nov 21, 2018

I could say it's sad that a young guy died if the circumstances where different and he wasn't invading a foreign land to convert people and possibly spread diseases to them by accident.

Skii · Nov 21, 2018

Good, he deserves it.

Gonzalez · Nov 21, 2018

Skii said:
Good, he deserves it.

Oh boy...

astro · Nov 21, 2018

Jeff Albertson said:
I posted the interview he did in the last thread

This guy wasn't a missionary I don't think, just some privileged kid who thought the world was his playground

https://www.theoutbound.com/theoutbound/explorer-spotlight-john-allen-chau

I like the part where he fondly reminisces about playing blackface with his brother.

This guy's sense of privlege helped get him killed.

devSin · Nov 21, 2018

I'm sure the church won't be deterred in its mission to export homophobia to these poor lost souls.

Deleted member 888 · Nov 21, 2018

Skii said:
Good, he deserves it.

He was incredibly stupid, but he didn't deserve it. You know what his intent was. Preaching. Which is bullshit but it's not an intent of violence.

Therefore he can both not deserve it but still be called out for the idiocy that led to his death. Ideally he would have been taken away before dying but he kept persisting. Probably on some deranged path thinking God was instructing him.

Think before you post such a hot take.

Dr. Caroll · Nov 21, 2018

excelsiorlef said:
The last thing an isolated tribe needs is Jesus.

Everyone needs Jesus.

Jeff Albertson said:
I posted the interview he did in the last thread

This guy wasn't a missionary I don't think, just some privileged kid who thought the world was his playground

https://www.theoutbound.com/theoutbound/explorer-spotlight-john-allen-chau

Yep. Very weird individual.

Morrigan · Nov 21, 2018

It's fascinating how they don't have fire. I wonder if a lack of thunderstorms (or perhaps an overly humid climate) prevents fires from occurring naturally, making the people living there unlikely to "discover" it.

Powdered Egg · Nov 21, 2018

Dr. Caroll said:
Everyone needs Jesus.

No, they don't lol. Christianity is dying anyway.

Lord Moriarty007 · Nov 21, 2018

Not a good situation. An idiot went to a hostile tribe and got what was expected. This group killed two fishermen whose boat strayed toward the island. RIP and condolence to the family.

Deleted member 8750 · Nov 21, 2018

Buckle said:
You got to wonder just what the fuck they thought that helicopter was.

Would have blown my goddamn mind.

I guess we'll never know.

I wonder what they think of the garbage that floats to their island.

Morrigan · Nov 21, 2018

Powdered Egg said:
No, they don't lol. Christianity is dying anyway.

I'm guessing he was sarcastic.

HStallion · Nov 21, 2018

Kinvara said:
I guess we'll never know.

I wonder what they think of the garbage that floats to their island.

Akira86 · Nov 21, 2018

Bdub79 said:
There is only 50 of them? Off topic I know but incest is gross. Guess it's okay to give em a pass yeah?

goddammit

blinky · Nov 21, 2018

Skii said:
Good, he deserves it.

This is a bad post and you should feel bad for having posted it.

Did this guy do something stupid? Yes, absolutely. Did he deserve to die for it? No, and there is something wrong with you if you think so. This is reminiscent of Otto Warmbier, who definitely stepped out of line but didn't deserve the consequences that followed.

Powdered Egg · Nov 21, 2018

Morrigan said:
I'm guessing he was sarcastic.

I hope so.

HStallion said:

Are these the Asiatic Black people that 90s NY rappers would often reference?

entremet · Nov 21, 2018

Powdered Egg said:
I hope so.

Are these the Asiatic Black people that 90s NY rappers would often reference?

Looks like the San people. Formerly known as the Bushmen.

Powdered Egg · Nov 21, 2018

blinky said:
This is a bad post and you should feel bad for having posted it.

Did this guy do something stupid? Yes, absolutely. Did he deserve to die for it? No, and there is something wrong with you if you think so. This is reminiscent of Otto Warmbier, who definitely stepped out of line but didn't deserve the consequences that followed.

Otto wouldn't have killed off a whole tribe. This dumb fool would have ended up killing at least 1 person.

"Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it" - Snoop Pearson

HaNotsri · Nov 21, 2018

LakeEarth said:
The craziest part of this story is that he went back three times, each time it got worse and worse. Why did he keep going back?

Everytime he survived he saw it as the proof of Gods' will.

Skii · Nov 21, 2018

Audioboxer said:
He was incredibly stupid, but he didn't deserve it. You know what his intent was. Preaching. Which is bullshit but it's not an intent of violence.

Therefore he can both not deserve it but still be called out for the idiocy that led to his death. Ideally he would have been taken away before dying but he kept persisting. Probably on some deranged path thinking God was instructing him.

Think before you post such a hot take.

blinky said:
This is a bad post and you should feel bad for having posted it.

Did this guy do something stupid? Yes, absolutely. Did he deserve to die for it? No, and there is something wrong with you if you think so. This is reminiscent of Otto Warmbier, who definitely stepped out of line but didn't deserve the consequences that followed.

These replies reek of American privilege and arrogance. You don't have any right to go to another culture and try to dictate what they should do. I don't give a shit if he's on some divine path set by god. He deserves to face the consequences of his sheer recklessness.

Prison_mike · Nov 21, 2018

The weird part he picked out these specific peoples knowing what they would do to him. He didnt just stumble upon North Sentinel Island... he must have heard/read stories and still went.

Such a avoidable pointless death. He could have missioned to any place in the world practically and lived to tell about it.

Deleted member 888 · Nov 21, 2018

Skii said:
These replies reek of American privilege and arrogance. You don't have any right to go to another culture and try to dictate what they should do. I don't give a shit if he's on some divine path set by god. He deserves to face the consequences of his sheer recklessness.

No he doesn't have a right, but you revelling in bloodlust stating someone deserves to die isn't a good look.

Its not hard to say it would have been better if the consequences of his sheer recklessness had ended in a pacifistic way rather than dropping by with little more than "glad he's dead, fucker deserved it".

HStallion · Nov 21, 2018

Powdered Egg said:
I hope so.

Are these the Asiatic Black people that 90s NY rappers would often reference?

It's a scene from The Gods Must Be Crazy

entremet · Nov 21, 2018

Here is his IG, with the memorialized post.

https://www.instagram.com/johnachau/

Powdered Egg · Nov 21, 2018

entremet said:
Looks like the San people. Formerly known as the Bushmen.

After Google imaging San people, it further underscores how stupid, lame, and made up "race" is.

HStallion said:
It's a scene from The Gods Must Be Crazy

Thanks, never seen it. Premise sounds interesting.

spam musubi · Nov 21, 2018

Audioboxer said:
No he doesn't have a right, but you revelling in bloodlust stating someone deserves to die isn't a good look.

Its not hard to say it would have been better if the consequences of his sheer recklessness had ended in a pacifistic way rather than dropping by with little more than "glad he's dead, fucker deserved it".

I wouldn't go as far as saying he deserved it, but his carelessness could have resulted in the death of all these people, because they lack the immunizations we have. Endangering the lives of dozens of people just because you want to invade your culture onto them is about as shitty as it gets.

HStallion · Nov 21, 2018

entremet said:
Here is his IG, with the memorialized post.

https://www.instagram.com/johnachau/

So they have his friends? What exactly is that post implying?

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