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LebGuns

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Source (NYT): https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/25/world/middleeast/israel-drones-beirut-hezbollah.amp.html

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Two drones crashed in the southern suburbs of Beirut overnight, and one exploded, blowing out the windows of a media office belonging to Hezbollah, a spokesman for the group said on Sunday.

Hezbollah said the drones belonged to Israel, but the Israeli military declined to comment on Sunday.

The events in Beirut occurred a day after Israeli warplanes struck targets in Syria where, the Israeli military said, Iran had been preparing to attack Israel using explosive-laden "killer drones."

The first appeared to be a surveillance drone and came down on a red-tiled roof extending from a lower floor behind the building, he said. The second drone came less than an hour later and exploded, apparently in midair, near where the first drone had landed. The explosion shattered the building's windows.

Mr. Afif said that Hezbollah had retrieved the first, undamaged drone and the remains of the second, and that the group would analyze them to establish their mission. One theory was that the first drone had crashed and the second had been dispatched to destroy the first. Another theory was that the first drone had been sent to scope out a target for the second drone to attack.

Israel targeted a media station for Hezbollah. No casualties, although glass shattered and injured 3 people in Beirut.
 
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Israel routinely launches [terror] attacks into nearby countries, particularly Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran.

The double drone element here is a bit of a novelty, I guess.
 

Chikor

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Ahhh yes, the famous Iranian killer drones who have so far killed [checks notes] 0 Israelis.
But you know, according to international laws Israel can bomb any country whenever it fucking wants for whatever reason, so it's all good.

The NYT obviously just report on Israeli PR like it's fact, because that what the NYT does.
 

cognizant

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I still vividly remember when Israel attacked Lebanon in 2006, including the use of white phosphorus, ruining their infrastructure and tourism. Shitty fascist state doing shitty fascist shit.
 

Kolx

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A fascist government losing drones in an attack against a terrorist organization with no civilians injured? who gives a shit.
 

Pekola

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The NYT obviously just report on Israeli PR like it's fact, because that what the NYT does.

It is infuriating.

We can't very well stop this, but the one area where we can do something — which is bring light to the cruelty of the situation, we are an abject failure. And people are getting paid for this uncritical circus.
 

Serpens007

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They keep getting away with this shit. I guess because they are "the most western like democracy in the world" with whom we "share a lot of values".
 

Jadax

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What's with all the anti-Israel people on ERA? Every time Israel does something a bunch of threads come up somehow projecting Israel as the aggressor/bad guy.
 

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I still vividly remember when Israel attacked Lebanon in 2006, including the use of white phosphorus, ruining their infrastructure and tourism. Shitty fascist state doing shitty fascist shit.
What about the time they slaughtered Palestinians in concentration camps like animals (making sure to blockade the exit doors and shine lights on them so they could ensure all of them died) after promising them safe passage

 

Chikor

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What's with all the anti-Israel people on ERA? Every time Israel does something a bunch of threads come up somehow projecting Israel as the aggressor/bad guy.
You think this news is not worth reporting?
It's true that news often makes Israel looks bad, but that's because it's an Apartheid state that attack its neighbors without provocation on the regular, not because of teh bias!!1111
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Everyone involved in this is awful so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Israel encroaching on the sovereignty of these other nations is concerning though, as is Iran's alleged intent with those "killer drones."
 

Cation

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Really have been out of words. They won't stop, no one will stop them, and the situation will continue.

What's with all the anti-Israel people on ERA? Every time Israel does something a bunch of threads come up somehow projecting Israel as the aggressor/bad guy.

I, too, support ethnic cleansing, genocide, and racism.

Smh
 

Chikor

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Israel also should not be attacking Lebanon, but that goes without saying.
Israel is not accusing Iran of attacking them, it's accusing them of maybe developing a weapon system that Israel already has.
There is no symmetry here, I don't think you can both sides Israel preemptively attacking Lebanon because it want to maintain it's massive technological advantage (which it's going to have anyway, with or without those drones).
 

Chikor

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Nasrallah promising pay back for this one though.
Nasrallah promise that after most Israeli attacks, and the Hezbollah usually follow through.
Israel don't really mind because the Hezbollah can't hurt Israel in meaningful ways, and the New York Times of the world are just gonna report it as "Evil Muslims attack poor little Israel for no reason" anyway, so why not go and have some fun bombing a country that don't have good air defense systems?
And that's why Lebanon has been an IDF bombing range since 1970.
 
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Jeb

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What's with all the anti-Israel people on ERA? Every time Israel does something a bunch of threads come up somehow projecting Israel as the aggressor/bad guy.
You don't think that committing crimes against humanity on a daily basis earns it those labels?
 

Jeb

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Ahhh yes, the famous Iranian killer drones who have so far killed [checks notes] 0 Israelis.
But you know, according to international laws Israel can bomb any country whenever it fucking wants for whatever reason, so it's all good.

The NYT obviously just report on Israeli PR like it's fact, because that what the NYT does.
Remember when all those Palestinians civilians got killed and the first thing the NYT did was ask the Israelis for their perspective?

The NYT is trash.
 

sapien85

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Perfect timing because only days ago they were saying the tourism season in Lebanon this year is very good.
 

Chikor

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So I read the wiki and your summary is ridiculous and a shameful manipulation of the story.

Good job.
Yeah, a more accurate summary would be the Israel allowed its allied to go and slaughter thousands of Palestinians refugees, men, women and children, in an orgy of unfocused anger and bloodthirsty revenge because they were pissed that the puppet leader Israel was trying to install as the ruler of Lebanon got assassinated. Israeli soldiers watched as the massacre went on and did nothing (well, one of them made a movie 25 years later about how it made him sad. It was nominated for an oscar), and the IDF and the Israeli political leadership tried to cover the massacre after the fact.
 

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Yeah, a more accurate summary would be the Israel allowed its allied to go and slaughter thousands of Palestinians refugees, men, women and children, in an orgy of unfocused anger and bloodthirsty revenge because they were pissed that the puppet leader Israel was trying to install as the ruler of Lebanon got assassinated. Israeli soldiers watched as the massacre went on and did nothing (well, one of them made a movie 25 years later about how it made him sad. It was nominated for an oscar), and the IDF and the Israeli political leadership tried to cover the massacre after the fact.
The wiki says the IDF wasn't involved but there were plenty of Israelis that oversaw the actual massacre so


Also again this is after the PLO moved out of Lebanon and those refugees were promised safe passage.

Imagine defending genocide in concentration camps
 

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The wiki says the IDF wasn't involved but there were plenty of Israelis that oversaw the actual massacre so


Also again this is after the PLO moved out of Lebanon and those refugees were promised safe passage.

Imagine defending genocide in concentration camps
Also guess who was a large part of it?

"In 1983, the Israeli Kahan Commission, appointed to investigate the incident, found that Israeli military personnel, aware that a massacre was in progress, had failed to take serious steps to stop it. The commission deemed Israel indirectly responsible, and Ariel Sharon, then Defense Minister, bore personal responsibility "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge", forcing him to resign.[23]"

Sharon was elected as PM AFTER this. Ya know the guy who mocked Palestinians with tons of armed guards in an effort to spark another intifada and was a huge proponent of his giant illegal border wall.
 

Chikor

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The wiki says the IDF wasn't involved but there were plenty of Israelis that oversaw the actual massacre so


Also again this is after the PLO moved out of Lebanon and those refugees were promised safe passage.

Imagine defending genocide in concentration camps
IDF soldiers were not the ones pulling the triggers, that is true, I don't think it means the IDF wasn't involved. This could have not happened without the IDF, and let's not forget this is all in the context of of the 1982 Lebanon War, which is such a bullshit conflict not even people in Israel don't think it was a good or justified war. And people in Israel generally think all their wars are just.

Edit: oh and since I assume not everyone is overly familiar with that conflict, Israel invaded Lebanon in an attempt to install a Christian pro-Israel puppet-leader there. It worked really poorly for everyone involved, but mostly for the Lebanese people of course.
 

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IDF soldiers were not the ones pulling the triggers, that is true, I don't think it means the IDF wasn't involved. This could have not happened without the IDF, and let's not forget this is all in the context of of the 1982 Lebanon War, which is such a bullshit conflict not even people in Israel don't think it was a good or justified war. And people in Israel generally think all their wars are just.

Edit: oh and since I assume not everyone is overly familiar with that conflict, Israel invaded Lebanon in an attempt to install a Christian pro-Israel leader there. It worked really poorly for everyone involved, but mostly for the Lebanese people of course.
Yeah but from what I remember there WERE Israeli soldiers there that night that helped out indirectly.
 

Chikor

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Yeah but from what I remember there WERE Israeli soldiers there that night that helped out indirectly.
The IDF was controlling Beirut at the time, this is after Arafat fled and the PLO withdrew. Israel have been stressing the fact that it was Israel's Christian right-wing auxilia who did the actual murdering like it is somehow excuse them for responsibility.

Also, thousands of civilians died from Israeli fire in Beirut (and all over Lebanon), so any way you cut there is a ton of civilian blood on Israel's hand there, and again, this is not a war you can justify on any sort of self defense level.
 

Jag

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And Hamas retaliated i'm guessing. Looks like Gaza rockets flew over a music festival in Sderot. Civilians are the ultimate losers in these conflicts.