That was right before he tried closing the door on him right? Had me laughing too lolPennywise taking about how useless those crunches and sit-ups were, had me laughing out loud
Pennywise taking about how useless those crunches and sit-ups were, had me laughing out loud
In the book does It always show up as the clown? Or have some clown element too it ? I laughed pretty damn hard at the clown spider at the end
My nerdy ass caught that too.My wife caught that too. Good eye!
Dumb issue to have, but it still bugs me that they clearly used Street Fighter 1 in the movie because 2 wasn't out in 89, but then they recklessly put a Mortal Kombat cabinet right next to it. For shame.
It was Pennywise. Like explained above the clown was his preferred form for luring kids. But it could pretty much take whatever form it chose.Can a book reader explain to me Pennywise and the connection to the clearly human man who looks like Pennywise in those old pictures. Did It base itself off of that man?
I think penny wise is the persona he took on. I think their setting up supposed prequel on this idea.It was Pennywise. Like explained above the clown was his preferred form for luring kids. But it could pretty much take whatever form it chose.
Those pictures were an illusion as well. Just like the sign on the door that read "Marsh" and then suddenly said "Kersh".
Pennywise is messing with Bev and having the guy in the photo look like the clown without makeup is part of that.
It was Pennywise. Like explained above the clown was his preferred form for luring kids. But it could pretty much take whatever form it chose.
They became the thing they hated the most: bullies. :(
You said this perfectly. I think within the themes of the movie the ending made sense. As kids, they would remind themselves it was not real to escape It. It makes sense that as adults they figure out how to take that to the next level and manipulate It to becoming something that could defeat. I think they nailed it because without fear, Pennywise is really nothing.I actually really loved how they killed It, the more I think about it. His form has always depended upon his victims' fears, but because the Losers no longer fear him, they can project weakness onto him and render him powerless. They also "projected" a heart into his body because that's what they believe will be the key to killing him, so his form is forced to operate via a heart.
Really cool imo. I do wish that he had begged and pleaded for his life though, like in the book, but I also liked his final comment of "You're all grown up". Just the right amount of cynicism, and maybe even a dash of respect for his first true rivals? Not sure. But I loved it :)
What happened to the Zombie Bully who picked up Bowers at the mental ward? Did anyone kill him?
Did Pennywise really kill the skateboard kid in the Fun House or was that just a vision to piss off Bill?
And I know it's not supposed to be super logical because Pennywise is a clown and likes to play or whatever, but the how's and whys of him killing confuses me. Like he can only kill someone when they are super afraid of him because he feeds on that fear? When they don't, he can't? The Losers were all pretty fucking afraid of him throughout the movie, why couldn't he just kill them then? Eddie finds his courage to strike a devastating blow to Pennywise, then Pennywise kills him? Pennywise is damn near omnipotent in creating entire environments and warping reality around his prey, but doesn't kill in those moments? I just don't entirely get this things' MO.
You said this perfectly. I think within the themes of the movie the ending made sense. As kids, they would remind themselves it was not real to escape It. It makes sense that as adults they figure out how to take that to the next level and manipulate It to becoming something that could defeat. I think they nailed it because without fear, Pennywise is really nothing.
So ironic, crazy and true lol didn't think of that
Basically It has a massive ego, he doesn't view any human as his equal, we are just here for his amusement and his food source. He can eat humans who aren't scared but they dont taste as good.
He knew the Native American thing was bullshit and wasn't going to work. The ending even implies that Pennywise deliberately showed it to Mike as a red herring.Yeah, I guess, but he knows those humans are there to kill him. He knows that Mike has been studying a method to trap him from the Native Americans. I don't think any creatures' instinct to play would override its instinct to survive.
Pennywise has a whole entire town of children to scare and eat later.
Yeah, there were so many jump scares and they were all extremely predictable and by-the-numbers. Just felt silly.Part of me wishes they went with a slow burn style horror instead of the constant jump scares. I lost count of how many times the room would get quiet, then they'd turn around and pennywise was there.
In the book I think Bev ended up with Ben. Bill had a wife who arrived in Derry and was kidnapped and kinda in a weird coma/trance. I remember it ended with Bill giving his kinda comatose wife a ride on his bike.My expectations were lowered ahead of my viewing last night. I was worried about the runtime feeling long and am a big fan of the book. I liked the first movie, but recently rewatched it and some of its flaws started coming to light. But I really liked Chapter 2 more than I thought I would. I'm not totally sold on IT being bullied to death, and wish Eddie sacrifice was more in line with the book (inhaler/battery acid/arm bit off) but otherwise an overall solid telling with many of the story beats as the novel. I felt kinda empty after reading the book, like I had just lost something that was part of me, probably due to the 1200 pages, but that was a feeling I didn't get from the film. Maybe had to do with the fact that the town got destroyed and they all started forgetting eachother again. Also if I'm not mistaken, I thought Bev still ended up with bill in the book no?
Yeah for sure. I have my issues with the film (loved the first one more) but I think the first and third acts were done really well here. I don't really understand the complaints about the ending in particular, but to each their own. Personally I thought it wrapped up the story and the character arcs perfectly.
I also liked that the Losers didn't forget each other again, and that they accepted their past (both the good and the bad). Felt like a more optimistic take on the book ending, with the five of them finally being able to move on from their collective trauma - while also remembering how much they all mean to each other.
My expectations were lowered ahead of my viewing last night. I was worried about the runtime feeling long and am a big fan of the book. I liked the first movie, but recently rewatched it and some of its flaws started coming to light. But I really liked Chapter 2 more than I thought I would. I'm not totally sold on IT being bullied to death, and wish Eddie sacrifice was more in line with the book (inhaler/battery acid/arm bit off) but otherwise an overall solid telling with many of the story beats as the novel. I felt kinda empty after reading the book, like I had just lost something that was part of me, probably due to the 1200 pages, but that was a feeling I didn't get from the film. Maybe had to do with the fact that the town got destroyed and they all started forgetting eachother again. Also if I'm not mistaken, I thought Bev still ended up with bill in the book no?
More of a running joke about Stephen King.Just saw it snd really liked it, not as much as the first movie... but this one was just fine for me.
I love how they kept making jokes about how Bill cant write an ending. I assume they knew the ending would be disliked.
I try not to get hung up on monster logic but Pennywise bothers me. I really don't get his rules and limitations. There are many times he could outright kill someone but chooses not to and othertimes he kills people almost immediately.The reasons I have complaints about the way the monster was killed is because there are multiple scenes in the movie that contradict your interpretation of the monster's power.
Yes, it transforms into it's victims fears in order to terrorize them. In the book it is even mentioned that this intense fear tenderizes the meat, making it taste better. But it isn't required for it's victims to be terrorized before it makes a kill.
The scenes where he lures kids to their deaths in clown form prove this. Georgie wasn't terrified of Pennywise. Yes, he was apprehensive because WTF is a clown doing in a sewer? But then Pennywise goes to great lengths to reassure him in order to get him to come closer. Same thing with the little girl in part 2 who walks away from the bleachers following the firefly. At first she finds him creepy, but he convinces her to trust him. By the end of the scene she is actually smiling and at ease right before he makes the killing blow. There is no indication that Pennywise was powerless because those kids weren't scared in that moment.
This brings up again one of my issues with both movies. The monster's abilities and characteristics are not consistent and seem to change depending on what the scene requires.
The rest of the ending after Pennywise was dead I mostly liked.
This for me plays into the thematic confusion of the film, along with "fond memories of friendship" mainly comprising of shitting on each other.
Was the gay bashing scene in the book? It felt kinda... unnecessary.
And special shout outs to the brain dead mother at my showing who brought her four year old to the movie who was audibly crying when Pennywise ripped into the chest of his first victim and left with her when Pennywise rips into the skull of that young girl approximately the same age as the girl she brought to the movie. I'm sure she wasn't permanently scarred.
The reasons I have complaints about the way the monster was killed is because there are multiple scenes in the movie that contradict your interpretation of the monster's power.
Yes, it transforms into it's victims fears in order to terrorize them. In the book it is even mentioned that this intense fear tenderizes the meat, making it taste better. But it isn't required for it's victims to be terrorized before it makes a kill.
The scenes where he lures kids to their deaths in clown form prove this. Georgie wasn't terrified of Pennywise. Yes, he was apprehensive because WTF is a clown doing in a sewer? But then Pennywise goes to great lengths to reassure him in order to get him to come closer. Same thing with the little girl in part 2 who walks away from the bleachers following the firefly. At first she finds him creepy, but he convinces her to trust him. By the end of the scene she is actually smiling and at ease right before he makes the killing blow. There is no indication that Pennywise was powerless because those kids weren't scared in that moment.
This brings up again one of my issues with both movies. The monster's abilities and characteristics are not consistent and seem to change depending on what the scene requires.
The rest of the ending after Pennywise was dead I mostly liked.
I thought it serves two main functions. One was to serve as a punchy way to reintroduce Pennywise and confirm for Mike that he's back. The second was that it tied into Richie's secret in general and why he had to hide that he was gay in Derry.It felt very unnecessary. I thought it'd have a bigger implication in the movie, but just reminding me that casual murder of gay people happens wasn't really something the film needed.
Don't forget the cycle always starts with an act of extreme, evil, disturbing violence.I thought it serves two main functions. One was to serve as a punchy way to reintroduce Pennywise and confirm for Mike that he's back. The second was that it tied into Richie's secret in general and why he had to hide that he was gay in Derry.
Yeah I can understand that viewpoint, but personally it doesn't bother me. I like to think of it as Pennywise is just "enjoying the hunt" in Chapter 1, because he wants to terrify the Losers before killing them outright. We kinda see this when he corners Eddie and mocks him, or "plays with his food". And in terms of Georgie, I think he didn't care too much about terrifying him because Georgie was the first kill in It's new cycle, so he was probably just desperate for a meal lol.
In Chapter 2 though, my view is that he wants to make the Losers suffer as much as possible - such as by guilt-tripping Bill about Georgie, killing Dean in front of him, etc. You could also make the argument that he wants the Losers to attempt the ritual. That way, they lose their willpower and their faith in one another (such as blaming Mike), and they become cornered in what is literally It's home.
From a lore point of view, there's also that theory that each of the Losers have the Shining and are somehow "protected" from It. My memory's a bit fuzzy on that though, but IIRC the Turtle is no longer alive when they confront It at the end of Chapter 2, so that would explain why Eddie was vulnerable. Take your pick of which explanation you prefer, or just accept that the story is written in this way purely for the sake of entertainment lol :)
And the scene when Ben is hiding in the locker and the NKOTB poster is right over his shoulder, and they didn't use that in any good way. They just stick Pennywise impossibly in there. Terrible. That would have been terrifying if the poster talked.
Why doesn't he just kill them when he had a million chances? Movie would have been much shorter lol
And I know it's not supposed to be super logical because Pennywise is a clown and likes to play or whatever, but the how's and whys of him killing confuses me. Like he can only kill someone when they are super afraid of him because he feeds on that fear? When they don't, he can't?