That and the fact that the young voters he appealed to didn't turn out in the numbers he needed to win the primaries.It is the second time in a row Sanders can't convince the average Democrat voter.
That and the fact that the young voters he appealed to didn't turn out in the numbers he needed to win the primaries.It is the second time in a row Sanders can't convince the average Democrat voter.
And said suburban women prefer Biden, look at the results. Sanders won Michigan in 2016. In 2020 he got CLOBBERED.
I think you fail to understand that most people don't care that he's an (I ) and not a (D), in fact, his "Fuck the Democrats" strategy HURT him among Black Voters. A lot of young people may see Democrats as the enemy but a lot of Black Voters see them as cornerstones of their community.sanders is listed independent in Congress, as many democrats like to point out. He caucuses with them, but only pedants fail to understand how regular people see him as.
But you have faith in them voting for Sanders simply because he's not a Democrat?I don't have faith in that electorate when it comes to the general election given 2016
He was doing fine until the entire establishment and media consolidated around Biden. You really think without that support Biden would get anywhere? He wasn't. For Democratic voters (especially Primary voters) the perception of who "the pick is" is is huge.
This is it. It's over for this reason.
I think you fail to understand that most people don't care that he's an (I ) and not a (D), in fact, his "Fuck the Democrats" strategy HURT him among Black Voters. A lot of young people may see Democrats as the enemy but a lot of Black Voters see them as cornerstones of their community.
Is it absolutely necessary to phrase it this way? Cause Trumps mental health one way or the other is not the reason he is a bad president
Yep, obviously every one is going to have their preferences of the three but any other option would mean two rapists as the candidates in the general, which I hope most people here don't want
I didn't mention Career Politician, you're mistaking me with someone else. And again, his inability to identify with the Democrat Party HURT HIM.that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You said how will independent voters see Sanders because he's a career politician and I said he's largely fails to identify with the Democratic Party for most of his congressional career. Were not talking about black voters, black voter aren't the electorate that I'm talking about here
Yup. People like Sander's ideas, but not him and/or his way of messaging it.They aren't afraid of socialist policies as evident by approval numbers of said policies. They are uncomfortable with the 'anti-establishment/revolution' rhetoric.
I think you fail to understand that most people don't care that he's an (I ) and not a (D), in fact, his "Fuck the Democrats" strategy HURT him among Black Voters. A lot of young people may see Democrats as the enemy but a lot of Black Voters see them as cornerstones of their community.
But you have faith in them voting for Sanders simply because he's not a Democrat?
Seems very odd that the conservative media isn't making political hay out of it either. They are not exactly known for their restraint.I answered the poll that I think the party should talk to him. But my real instinct is that we're stuck with him.
I think we care about this issue a lot more than the press seems to. Nothing about this shows up on Google News if you search for Biden, and I mean nothing. Probably because these are old allegations which isn't enough for the media to make hay of it.
In fact the media is swooning about the "top 10 women Joe Biden might pick as VP" which is pretty far afield of taking this seriously.
sanders is listed independent in Congress, as many democrats like to point out. He caucuses with them, but only pedants fail to understand how regular people see him as.
I didn't mention Career Politician, you're mistaking me with someone else. And again, his inability to identify with the Democrat Party HURT HIM.
Cynically, I fear that they're bidin' their time until it's most effective. I would imagine a big signal boost is coming in October.Seems very odd that the conservative media isn't making political hay out of it either. They are not exactly known for their restraint.
He was doing fine until the entire establishment and media consolidated around Biden. You really think without that support Biden would get anywhere? He wasn't. For Democratic voters (especially Primary voters) the perception of who "the pick is" is is huge.
It's the combo of the "democratic-socialist" label in general (that is simply a non-starter for so many people) and the revolution rhetoric you described.They aren't afraid of socialist policies as evident by approval numbers of said policies. They are uncomfortable with the 'anti-establishment/revolution' rhetoric.
Because democrat primary voters aren't the same as American general voters. That's the whole point. I don't know what I or Deepwater could say to further convince you there's a difference there.
Who was the nom for the dems last time? Also they voted for a guy who actually bothered to show up. He fed them bullshit knowing he was never going to deliver.
You're acting like Independent is a party itself. "Independent" voters are all over the place, politically, and it isn't a meaningful descriptor of anything by itself
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.Sanders is the staggeringly better choice. With or without the rape allegations against Biden.
Usually they would run with the announcement of the allegations and repeat them ad nauseam day in and day out until they are gospel truth. I mean it's possible, but it certainly isn't the M.O.Cynically, I fear that they're bidin' their time until it's most effective. I would imagine a big signal boost is coming in October.
Because democrat primary voters aren't the same as American general voters. That's the whole point. I don't know what I or Deepwater could say to further convince you there's a difference there.
Literally the perfect scenario for the Super Delegates to do their job
It is the second time in a row Sanders can't convince the average Democrat voter. What is the chance he can convince the average American? It is either Biden or a consensus candidate picked with Biden's support.
She made the dire mistake of not having a penis.Sanders ain't winning. He's had back to back body shots in the primaries.
why couldn't y'all like Warren fam
I think this is why Sanders desperately tries to keep himself separate from his policies. The idea that you could be a candidate running on "No one will like Trump because he's evil and I'm not" and expect to win is preposterous at this point. It's why I never understood why Klobuchar even ran. The second you make it about you as a person Trump can begin to suppress the vote by making you out to not be as great as you claim.But with that being said, my point is that people either vote for candidates they like, or against candidates they don't like. it is a gamble to assume that enough people within that subgroup will not like trump enough to convince them to vote for Biden. But then again, it's the same for Bernie, but those people generally have more favorable views on Bernie than Biden which is why I'm making this argument.
Sanders literally could not get his own base to go out and vote, what makes you think he's going to make Independents vote in droves to support him?
Sanders isn't a rapist. He's the most viable candidate in the race right now.Sanders went into Super Tuesday expected to knock out Biden. He came out a loser. It is normal that everyone's support shifted to Biden. Sanders needs to step down and realise his momentum is completely gone.
I mean all the 1v1 against trump polls showed that he can beat trump so I don't see why you think he "ain't it"Give me someone other than Sanders. I want someone who can win, and Sanders ain't it.
With all the unemployed, underemployed, vulnerable, elderly, sick and hoping-not-to-be-sick people scared of taking time off and medical costs, their lives being weighed against the economy and found wanting by this administration, this sure as hell feels like Bernie's moment if there ever was one.Biden is the pick for this, though. Sanders is not going to swing margin independents. He can't even win a primary.
I think this is why Sanders desperately tries to keep himself separate from his policies. The idea that you could be a candidate running on "No one will like Trump because he's evil and I'm not" and expect to win is preposterous at this point. It's why I never understood why Klobuchar even ran. The second you make it about you as a person Trump can begin to suppress the vote by making you out to not be as great as you claim.
I think Sanders' whole deal is essentially "You're voting for my plans". I find that harder for Trump to attack, partially because Trump literally doesn't understand the concepts of Sanders' plans.
Sanders literally DID NOT Make a coalition though, thats why no one endorsed him when they dropped out. Its why Biden is completely demolishing now. Sanders only hope of winning the Primary was a divided primary. Thats gone now and Biden is completely crushing him. I don't know why you can't seem to understand that.sanders did get his base out to vote, 30% of the primary popular vote might seem marginal to you, but it represents that he has a broad enough coalition within the Democratic party that wouldn't be a non-starter in the general (as opposed to a Klobuchar or Pete).
His populist agenda absolutely appeals to people who decide who they're gonna vote for after the tickets are decided. That's why he polls well with people whoaren't registered to either party. Or rather, Biden polls badly with people who aren't registered to either party.
This is a gamble, and I don't conclusively believe Biden is going to lose, but it's just weird seeing people making electability arguments about Bernie when Biden at this point, demonstratively doesn't do well with nonvoters and independents. You can rely on a Democrat surge to get him past the post in November, but you're going to have a tremendously difficult time to GOTV for him. Granted, if unemployment is 30%, it might not matter who's at the top of the democrat ticket.
Sanders literally DID NOT Make a coalition though, thats why no one endorsed him when they dropped out. Its why Biden is completely demolishing now. Sanders only hope of winning the Primary was a divided primary. Thats gone now and Biden is completely crushing him. I don't know why you can't seem to understand that.
A grassroots effort that couldn't get out to vote.a grassroots effort that's cross racial, cross religion, cross gender, cross age that secured 30% of the primary popular vote absolutely is a coalition. You don't have to like Bernie to realize his supporters make up a significant portion of the Democratic Party.
I mean all the 1v1 against trump polls showed that he can beat trump so I don't see why you think he "ain't it"
A grassroots effort that couldn't get out to vote.
This whole "We're a grassroots revolution" thing falls apart when you see that Sanders literally lost every single County in Michigan. (By the way, I voted for Sanders in Michigan.)