- Oct 27, 2017
Trans rights are human rights.
I have so much love and respect for you all.
I have so much love and respect for you all.
It's like they can't decide between letting this all blow over and being like "No, trans people, it's you who are wrong." Very disappointed with the admin. And in case someone would like to construe this as being off-topic, I'll just remind everyone: admins' horrible handling of this situation is doing actual harm to the trans and gnc community here and their ability to feel safe.
watch them just never changing it and hoping we'll just forget and move on
It's not like the GAF mods peaced out after the shower incident. Oh wait, they did...I gotta say, it leaves me uneasy to see mods coming in here and announcing their devotion to trans rights while simultaneously letting this stuff happen.
You can say "it's not in my control" and "there's more to it".... but is there? And control? You have control. You could grow a backbone and stand against this shit.
For real, these guidelines are the most insulting shit. They waste more words on how mods get their feelings hurt when you say that they don't care (which I caught a week ban for before it got overturned when the thread got swarmed by people going "wtf happened in here", due to me and another trans member getting banner and a transphobe getting nothing initially) than on actual policy concerning discussion.If Ket did something that breached privacy, fine, but show your work. I'm afraid I don't take the word of volunteers chirping "use that report button!" very seriously.
Quite honestly, this is some Gaf-level rug sweeping. It's just painted pretty because some mods are trans.
It's the diet version of saying "no one's forcing you to be here so we're gonna ban as necessary til y'all know your role"."Claiming that our staff don’t care, or attacking us for doing our jobs, is personally hurtful and makes us less likely to want to donate our time. In the interest of protecting the mental well-being of our volunteers, such posts will receive bans as steep as necessary until they stop. "
This is literally straight up "Beatings will continue until morale improves" type shit lmao. Clownshoes. Maybe such posts will stop when policy and action improves. Consistently.
Likewise, I run a wee bitty server on Discord, and no one can sort out this fuckery.Throwing my weight into this into support for ketkat I went to bed before all that stuff happened and saw i was mentioned and the thread locked . As someone who moderates a much much much smaller community via discord I can agree the situation was handled inappropriately and it sucks a thread about trans issues on era got canned because the admins engaged in the same behavior that started that thread and this one to begin with. I love era and all but this situation hurts and I feel shitty about loving era and feeling unwelcome at the same time so please just come out apologize or make a statement and be as transparent as you can. Please just either shorten the ban to like a week or let her out at this point.
It's trans awareness week .-.
It’s not your fault that the admins are circling the wagons and not properly handling this situation. Thank you for creating that thread. It was sorely needed then and especially now.
It isn't on you and it's absolutely appaling that you end up feeling guilty for being the person to call out the issues on behalf of the trans community.
Don't worry, you had nothing to do with how things ended up. I'm glad you made the thread, it was something that needed to be said.
It's absolutely not your fault for how the staff here screwed this whole thing up. You were trying to do a good, positive thing.
So how does it work when a mod is backing a minority group 100%? Because it sure feels like that support makes a full stop when the bans drop. Recycled platitudes are getting a bit hard to believe.Not trying to derail the thread, but I will say this. We’re definitely not “waiting for it to blow over”. There is only so much we can say at this time for privacy reasons, but we, as a staff, have not brushed all of this aside.
I’ll speak for myself here, not as a mod. I hear you and I am sorry for all the unease I, myself, may have caused the community. I am 100% supportive of the trans fight and ensuring that all trans folk are treated with the respect and dignity that all humans, regardless of sexual or gender orientation, should be given without question.
I know this may seem shallow in light of recent events and I get that. I’m not asking for your forgiveness if I have hurt you, and I understand it will take quite a long time to rebuild trust and respect. I just wanted you to all to know that I am listening and trying every day to become better.
aye that's why I made the edit - this is absolutely not about a single mod, less even for Bae
I hear your frustration. I didn’t come in here looking to stir shit up or infuriate anyone more than they already are.So how does it work when a mod is backing a minority group 100%? Because it sure feels like that support makes a full stop when the bans drop. Recycled platitudes are getting a bit hard to believe.
edit: I'd like to clarify that this isn't just directed at Bae. There's certainly more staff who take a stand for their members only so far until the "I'm powerless!" stuff comes about.
I at least think it's relevant to the discussion (especially for cis lurkers in the thread). In these contexts where the non-existence of trans people is assumed a priori, it's impossible to get evidence to the contrary. All this time and we're still trying to account for all the loss of research caused by the Nazi's destruction of research on gender and sexuality, and there's zero question that the replication of fascism in the modern era is tied to this fact. Transphobia is one of the biggest, most obvious tells for fascist grifters who want to appear "respectable". This shit is painfully relevant.
I've had minor quibbles with the way in which the moderation staff have done things here and there -- and I certainly don't want to lay this at the feet of the mods here in this thread; I believe they don't have the power to change it, and have been pretty consistently positive forces on the forum in general.
I know, Bae, and I know it's hard to please both sides. I've been there. The frustrating part is watching allies continue to support a place that evidently doesn't see an issue here :/ There's no trust.
I understand that it will take time, if it ever happens at all. I’m LGBT myself and I know what it feels like to feel undermined. I get it.
It hurts to see another LGBTQ* person giving the rest of us the "it might get better". But I mean, what can I do.I understand that it will take time, if it ever happens at all. I’m LGBT myself and I know what it feels like to feel undermined. I get it.
I will step back and let y’all have the thread without my hovering presence, lol. But I just wanted to make my feelings clear.
Again, I'm not saying she herself can fix this. I don't think anyone is. But I am allowed to say it upsets me that the voices on our side don't have a chance against those who can do something.
What was the shower incident?
Deffers covered it pretty well in this post:
Not off-topic at all. KetKat got banned for a post a lot of trans posters on era disagree is banworthy, and the reasons given for that ban turned out to be not as accurate as possible. Mods have turned up to describe solidarity and how they want to help, but ultimately they can't unban Ketkat. And the administrators have been silent as the grave on this one since, which is aggravating for obvious reasons. At least one trans member outright requested a ban and several outright stated they don't feel safe discussing trans issues here any more, so it's become something of a rallying point for the trans community here on ERA, especially since Ketkat is a pillar of the community in many respects.
EDIT: Hey, would you look at that, they changed the ban reason. Cute.
This isn't directed specifically at you because, as other people have said, there's only so much an individual moderator can do and this isn't on you, but:
Here ya go, hope this works for ya!