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Jalopnik: When Are We Going to Address How Paul Walker Had Relationships With Underage Girls?

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Jul 26, 2018
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#51
A famous actor had a relationship with an underage girl and your first thought is: "I gotta educate people that it isn't pedophilia if the victim is older than 13."?

Fuck you.
16 is legal in many states including all of Canada, so are we just going to ignore this fact. Or do you think straight up pedophilia is legal in Canada?

edit: and most of Europe.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#52
What he did was fucked up and illegal, but not really pedophilia unless I missed some additional information about him.

Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2]Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
Don't split hairs.
 

zoukka

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#54
Already hit the "not really a pedo!" phase of the thread, huh.
The definition of pedo is the sexual attaction to a child no? Having sex with an underaged person is immoral, illegal, fucked up and can be traumatizing for the victim but not necessarily pedophilia. I am not defending anyone here and the suggestion that I do is honestly insulting.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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User Banned (1 Month): Downplaying sexualization of people under the legal age. The distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia is not one which we are interested in exploring here.
Already hit the "not really a pedo!" phase of the thread, huh.
Because it's true? There is a big difference between being sexually attracted to children and being sexually attracted to people who are sexually mature (in a physical, rather than emotional sense) but legally underage.

That doesn't mean the latter is okay, but there's little to gain from conflating the two things.
 

Oynox

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User banned (1 month): Downplaying the sexualization of minors and previous warning for doing the same. The distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia is not one which we are interested in exploring here.
What he did was fucked up and illegal, but not really pedophilia unless I missed some additional information about him.

Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2]Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
That's why the actual journalist of Jalopnik didn't use the term.

However, it is often used incorrectly in colloquial language and since ERA is only a video game board and no psychical health board... people talk colloquially about things off topic.


Also, thanks for the updated thread title.
 

Shy

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Oct 25, 2017
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#61
I hear about it a few years ago.
What he did was fucked up and illegal, but not really pedophilia unless I missed some additional information about him.

Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2]Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
 
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Menelaus

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#62
For everyone hand wringing over the definition of pedophilia, the entirety of Canada has an age of consent of 16. I think zoukka has a point that attraction to sexually mature 16 year olds does not fit the description of a pedo.

It can still be viewed as gross, and actually illegal in many US states, of course, and that's fair.
 
Dec 24, 2017
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#63
The definition of pedo is the sexual attaction to a child no? Having sex with an underaged person is immoral, illegal, fucked up and can be traumatizing for the victim but not necessarily pedophilia. I am not defending anyone here and the suggestion that I do is honestly insulting.
Are you really doubling down
 

zoukka

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Because it's true? There is a big difference between being sexually attracted to children and being sexually attracted to people who are sexually mature (in a physical, rather than emotional sense) but legally underage.

That doesn't mean the latter is okay, but there's little to gain from conflating the two things.
Exactly. His behaviour is still wrong and fucked up as I said multiple times.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#71
What he did was fucked up and illegal, but not really pedophilia unless I missed some additional information about him.

Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2]Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
Ephebophilia is considered pedophilia by the general public and in a legal context. There are different legal penalties in some states based on the age (for example, intercourse with a child 12 and under is classed worse than a child 16 and under) but they're all considered child rape.
 
Apr 17, 2018
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#74
The definition of pedo is the sexual attaction to a child no? Having sex with an underaged person is immoral, illegal, fucked up and can be traumatizing for the victim but not necessarily pedophilia. I am not defending anyone here and the suggestion that I do is honestly insulting.
Because it's true? There is a big difference between being sexually attracted to children and being sexually attracted to people who are sexually mature (in a physical, rather than emotional sense) but legally underage.

That doesn't mean the latter is okay, but there's little to gain from conflating the two things.
I'll save you both some time. Most of the people that point this out say

"Uh actshually he's an ephebephile!"
 
Oct 30, 2017
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#75
Isn't sixteen of legal age in most states?
Is it? I know it's the age of consent in some states but have no clue about nationally.

Might be legal, still makes it creepy. I've also been weirded out by 80 year old men with 20 year old girls too.

Ugh..
 

PtM

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Wow I did not know this. It almost seems all his charitable work is done to counteract his disgusting sexual interest in the female youth or throw people off his scent.
That's on conspiracy theory level.
 

Shy

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#80
The definition of pedo is the sexual attaction to a child no? Having sex with an underaged person is immoral, illegal, fucked up and can be traumatizing for the victim but not necessarily pedophilia. I am not defending anyone here and the suggestion that I do is honestly insulting.
Exactly. His behaviour is still wrong and fucked up as I said multiple times.
Would you prefer serial statutory rapist, instead ?
 
Oct 28, 2017
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#83
Yeah. This is well known about Walker. I was disgusted but then he died and everybody was worshiping him. He's gone now but his affinity for under age girls was and still is gross.
 

TheRealDennis

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#84
16 is legal in many states including all of Canada, so are we just going to ignore this fact. Or do you think straight up pedophilia is legal in Canada?

edit: and most of Europe.
It's about timing, this is a story about a famous actor using his position to get into a relationship with a 16 year old girl. It's abuse and your first thought shouldn't be: "I gotta educate people on this now!"
 

Rowlf

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What he did was fucked up and illegal, but not really pedophilia unless I missed some additional information about him.

Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.[1][2]Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
Just so we're clear: The distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia is not one which we are interested in exploring here. We're not going to host that discussion.
 
Nov 10, 2017
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#89
I saw this last Friday.

I liked the fast and furious movies but no celebrity is someone I look up to, so it didn't affect me.

Can't imagine being 33 and dating a 16 year old. What the hell goes through your mind. Christ.
 

TuggSpeedman

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Why would they complain? Normalising pedophilia is the next battleground for these people (Hollywood).

Lets not forget that a room full of the most influential actors and actresses on Earth stood up and applauded for Roman fucking Polanski.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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#92
Is it? I know it's the age of consent in some states but have no clue about nationally.

Might be legal, still makes it creepy. I've also been weirded out by 80 year old men with 20 year old girls too.

Ugh..
I've been all over the spectrum, so maybe I'm just not as weirded out. I really don't know much about the guy though.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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That's pretty disgusting. Article states he was 33 when he started dating that 16 year old. If she had been 20+ or something, I'd think it would be a non-factor, but 16 is definitely way too young. And then his prior relationship was another 16 year old while he was 28. So that's not a good pattern developing there because he seems to targeting girls that age.

16 years old is a kid. A 16 year old with a full grown adult who's in his late 20s or early 30s is straight fucked up territory. There is a gulf of difference in that dynamic. Age of consent doesn't mean anything in my eyes here from a moral perspective.
 
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