James Acaster on certain 'challenging' comedians.

gigantor21

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That bully analogy is a depressingly accurate analogy for the bad faith arguments used to defend bigoted "jokes".
 

kiguel182

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James Acaster is amazing. I bought the special but haven’t watched it yet, I need to get on that
 

Euler

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James Acaster stays my favorite comedian.
I feel like he's still getting better and better.
 

Redcrayon

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Great comedian. I don’t think there’s much more pathetic than a network of famous, wealthy comedians who’ve made money out of having had a media platform to mock minorities for years suddenly claiming they are hard done by and being ganged up on when people criticise their material by, er, sharing their opinions on a media platform.

I liked Acaster’s Brexit analogy a few years ago:
I didn’t realise he’d released a special, I’ll watch that
 
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fontguy

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Acaster’s pretty great. I’m not sure anything beats his bit about British museums.

 

Git

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Considering the absolute state of British comedy and the scene in general it's actually really nice to be reminded that they're not all cunts. The last several years has basically been spent writing off a lot of famous British comedians for outing themselves as bigots and tories.
 

basic_text

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Great comedian. I don’t think there’s much more pathetic than a network of famous, wealthy comedians who’ve made money out of having had a media platform to mock minorities for years suddenly claiming they are hard done by and being ganged up on when people criticise their material by, er, sharing their opinions on a media platform.

I liked Acaster’s Brexit analogy a few years ago:
I didn’t realise he’d released a special, I’ll watch that
There's a brilliant Brexit routine in this too about people ordering a steak on behalf of the country and getting a plate of shit.

Cracking stuff. Something awoke within him in the last couple of years and now he's at the peak of his game.
 

Davidion

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People don't call out comedians on the fact that their complaints are just about wanting safe spaces.

I like stand-up, even the Bill Burrs and the Patrice O'Neills and the Anthony Jeselniks of the world, but they and any other edgy come can take theirs like everyone else.
 

Git

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If anyone's wondering what British "comedy" panel shows look like it's this

 

Palette Swap

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really like everything I’ve seen of that guy. His humor isn’t safe or cookie cutter, he goes out there, but he doesn’t punch down either.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I first heard of this guy from that recent thread here and I really like what I’ve seen so far. I’m going to watch “Repertoire” on Netflix soon—hope it’s good.
 

Godfather

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just recently caught up on his routine on Netflix and he is funny as hell. Good to know he's also a decent human being.
 
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If anyone's wondering what British "comedy" panel shows look like it's this

Well first off you could show an ACTUAL clip from Mock the Week instead of that shite impressionist who got on one episode and mostly bombed.

Also recently MtW has been working their asses off having a diverse roster of comedians.
 

Westbahnhof

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If anyone's wondering what British "comedy" panel shows look like it's this
I don't watch too many (besides Would I lie to you and Taskmaster), but I've never encountered a bit like this. Does this kind of stuff (obviously not as over the top) actually happen? This clip doesn't really give any insight on the actual jokes these people might or might not make.
I really liked some of these people on WILTY, so I'd appreciate some receipts for stuff like this.
 

Colfari

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I watched a lot of Taskmaster recently because of a thread here, and he was awesome on it. Checked out his comedy special on Netflix and was still surprised how good it is.
 

Westbahnhof

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Oct 27, 2017
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I watched a lot of Taskmaster recently because of a thread here, and he was awesome on it. Checked out his comedy special on Netflix and was still surprised how good it is.
James Acaster is a treasure, I love him on Would I Lie To You as well.
And it feels nice to see a genuinely funny guy point out the hypocrisy of "challening" comedians.
 

Theecliff

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Oct 28, 2017
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glad to know Acaster’s a good bean. always loved seeing him pop up in various shows, the season of Taskmaster he was incredible. i guess here is a good opportunity to share his Kettering town fc bit that my friends still quote regularly:
 

Qasiel

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I love James Acaster. I really should watch this special (Cold Lasagne Hate Myself 1999 if anyone's after the title) and apparently it's being sold alongside another special of his (not Repertoire, which was pretty damn good also) for around a tenner so I don't really have an excuse not to.
 

Quade

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Would highly recommend that special of his to anyone with a passing interest, it's one of the best pieces of comedy i've seen in a long, long time.
 

Colfari

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James Acaster is a treasure, I love him on Would I Lie To You as well.
And it feels nice to see a genuinely funny guy point out the hypocrisy of "challening" comedians.
I get a lot of YT recommendations now of these british shows and I fucking hate them. Don't think it's funny at all, it's like these old RTL shows on a saturday night (I am just assuming from your name that you are german as well), just godawful.
 

The Kree

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Asking if women and minorities have been lacking in challenge should usually be enough to shut down the entire debate over whether it's ever ok to punch down.

Should be.
 

mentha

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Yeah, fuck Ricky Gervais and the unfunny horse he rode in on. The funniest thing he ever did was getting absolutely wrecked by Garry Shandling in that one interview.
 
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People don't call out comedians on the fact that their complaints are just about wanting safe spaces.

I like stand-up, even the Bill Burrs and the Patrice O'Neills and the Anthony Jeselniks of the world, but they and any other edgy come can take theirs like everyone else.
Jeselnik doesn't really fit in here. Edgy comedy sure, but doesn't punch down and has never complained about cancel culture or anything like that
I first heard of this guy from that recent thread here and I really like what I’ve seen so far. I’m going to watch “Repertoire” on Netflix soon—hope it’s good.
You're in for a treat
 

Prophet Steve

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I've been a bit hesistent on watching stand-up routines lately as the punching down happens a lot or they are just assholes. But I've enjoyed the small things I've seen from James, so I'm going to watch his stuff.
 

Rhaknar

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Acaster is amazing and his 4 part special on Netflix is the best standup I've ever seen.
 

Chooms

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I just saw this guy for the first time as I started watching Taskmaster, that was awesome.
 

Midramble

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Acaster's bits seem to just get better and better. Only knew him as the taskmaster and Would I Lie to You guy but the more of his standup I see the more I love it.
 

Beren

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I only very recently discovered him, and damn he's got some very good stuff.

And he's said all that *should* need to be said about punching down.
 

Bestlaidplans

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Would recommend his Perfect sounds podcast. Really good. Bought a load of 2016 albums because he had a breakdown in 2017. Really knowledgable and just great chats.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Haven’t watched the clip, but he was on the How to Fail podcast and very eloquently described the problem with comics such as Bill Burr making jokes about domestic abuse.

he came across as thoughtful, mature and very inward thinking and I was impressed.
His comedy is getting better all the time too, and think he is often fantastic.
 

Cronen

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I highly recommend his Classic Scrapes book if you like his crazy stories (like the WILTY video above).
 

KillstealWolf

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Sometimes he just gets brutally to the point and he's great for it.


 
Oct 30, 2017
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Actually here’s a transcript from the fail podcast but it matches the clip now I’ve watched it.

“ Bill Burr has a routine where he says about there's a waitress at a cafe and she wrote on the chalkboard outside of that pub and she wroteon the side, We like our beer, like we like our violence domestic.

And that's the joke she puts on the chalkboardoutside and he tells his story and says that shethen got lost her job over it because everyoneon social media kicked off about this joke. Now,why do you think she should lose her job or not?

Is a different discussion. But the main thing hedefends is the joke. His point is it's a good,solid joke. You take any word out of that jokeand the joke doesn't work anymore and noone's going to see that joke and then go, oh,that's a good idea. And then go home and beattheir wife up. And that's his whole point aboutit. And the weird stance people tend to take onit is that no one is saying that, no one is sayingthat if you're in the audience and you hear ajoke about domestic violence, you're then goingto start doing domestic violence when younever did it before.

That's not the case. What it does do that kindof joke. And the comic never thinks of this.There might be someone in the audience whohas experienced domestic violence, whothemselves have been on the receiving end ofthat at home or who have witnessed it maybewith their parents. And those jokes are going to be funny to that person if they're going to bequite the opposite, a disturbing and quitehorrible and make them feel very alone andisolated when everyone around them islaughing at that joke and your failure to acknowledge that that person exists.

And it means immediately just thinking about people who aren't that person. So immediately Bill Burr thinks of the person doing the violence and not the victim of it. Yeah, that's where his mind goes to immediately. And so the disregard for the person who is the victim highlights theproblem as well. We don't see those people asmaturin or as individuals, hence why you'remaking that joke. Also, it's not just the peopledoing the violence who are completelyresponsible for it as a society harms us, notgiven those things, the weight that theydeserve and us not acknowledging that they'rebad and just being flippant about them and justtreating them like they don't matter.”