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James Cameron relieved that Avengers: Endgame beat Avatar at the box office.
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Endgame has plenty of flaws including a snoozer of a 1st hour among other issues. It's not even the best comic book film. It's not like one is some flawless film, I'd say both are about the same tier I would say, Cameron is capable of better work than both of these films.
Cameron's top tier stuff like Terminator 2, Titanic, and Aliens are all better than both Avengers Infinity films and Avatar.
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You're moving the goalposts. What difference does Cameron's other movies have to do with it? We're discussing Endgame and Avatar, and Endgame is the better of the two movies.
I wouldn't agree with that, I would say they're basically on the same level but Avatar actually has something relevant to say (ecologically) so I would say it's probably the better script.
They're both familiar stories so neither is winning shit for originality.
You and me both.
It was probably because it was the first proper 3D movie and was pretty to look at but it was a cookie cutter disney template story about a disabled man, that gets a second chance in a fantasy world, who tames an untamable beast and gets to fight Duke Nukem at the end for the big W.
People like escaping to other worlds, if those worlds are competently designed and well visualised.
It's that simple.
Good sci-fi is a cant miss worldwide because mind blowing visuals translate better than anything.
That and Cameron has a very strong grasp of story structure. Even if Avatar is not the most original film (neither are the Avengers pictures), you're not going to get a story that's a mess like say Jupiter Ascending or something (gorgeous sci-fi film, unbelievably wonky storytelling).
It's not just "special effects", if that was the case, studios would have a much, much easier time making money. Just throw a ton of money into your FX budget.
Yep. Cameron's baseline is decent with stunning visuals.
Like I'm not a fan of Avatar, and there's a lot of weird, unintentionally amusing shit, but it's unquestionably a marquee film.
So true.
I literally adore everything else this man has done but I fucking hate Avatar and I'm sad that he appears to only want to make sequels.
Oh well, I can and do still enjoy watching his other flicks.
Cameron is literally doing the same thing. He's just making more per movie.
Novel tech. But you're scepticism is merited - the film is the worst kind of derivative trash.
Not on the same level visually and technically, but I agree. Avatar is the better movie.
Only time will tell for Endgame but I can't take the time machine as a major plot device to bring back characters seriously. It's so goofy to me but people dig it I guess....
God forbid one of the best filmmakers on the planet was/is concerned about preserving the Theater experience.
It's actually pretty obvious:
Avatar resonates with people. Endgame kind of went big and went home. Avatar is still more searched than Endgame even now it seems:
Even world wide is leaning Avatar:
Cameron did something really right it seems.
Peope love Pocahontas, and they love space, so you combine them to make a huge blockbuster. Simples
So if Blue Man Group ever did a movie, it would break all sales records?
Disney re-released Endgame with a few extra scenes and carried it over the finish line
Antihype? I think worldwide there's a majority that will see this movie regardless of how people negatively felt about the first one (and that's a small group of people by comparison)
He nor the studio will be worried coming from a $2.7b movie.
Endgame will never be better than Avatar as long as it requires you to have watched Thor: The Dark World.
I am quite surprised and amused we are comparing James Camerons Avatar to end game. Like , the difference in action sequences, pacing, cinematography, direction and just overall the craft of film making are staggeringly obvious . And i dont even fuckin like Avatar or James Cameron as a director .
I think there's something special about the theatrical experience, especially on opening night. A shame that smaller movies can't really do well in theaters anymore but I'm glad that it still exists in some form.
Sounds like concern trolling. Let the man make the films he wants to make.
You would be happier if he make something he was less enthused about, so long as it was "something else"?
Avatar will never be better than Endgame as it requires me to watch Sam Worthington attempt to act.
Time has hurt that film.
The reviews were at the time that the hype hit.
What has his name been attached to since that did anything?
Alita? Marketed on his name and died at the box office.
Initially that was the assumption. It did end up pushing it over the line.
No, I don't mean that at all. I just mean that I really enjoy his movies in general and I'd like to see him directing something other than a sequel to Avatar. I enjoyed the first one but am just not interested in more stories in that universe. Obviously he should make what he wants to make and he knows more than I do about what is gonna sell obviously.
I think that James Cameron will tell all the stories and build all the setpieces that he would have done in a bunch of other franchises or original ideas, within the world of Avatar.
Well I think that's what he's getting at though: anything else Cameron would've done in another movie, with different characters and different environments, are now going to be put through the Avatar prism instead.
And as long as we get Cameron's vision, i will be happy, regardless of where it resides.
The action setpieces in the final act of Avatar were some of the finest of his career.
the praising of Avatar's action has always been a little odd to me... won't knock the craft of it, because you can't; it's all composed and executed really well. But it's also, imo, not particularly memorable, especially compared to other setpieces Cameron has done. Like, Jake throwing the bag of grenades into Quarritch's chopper motor looked cool (for some reason this is the bit of the last act that my memory always goes to lol). But come on, nothing in Avatar comes close to something like the sinking of the Titanic!
I'm going Day 1, 2, & 3 to see the new Avatar movie to spite everyone who keeps saying this.
That final action sequence is pretty long. There's a lot of good stuff in it.
I hope you're right, yeah. I'm cautiously optimistic. Actually, I'm sure it will at least be visually great. I hope the whole thing is.
