I think sometimes it is hard to talk about the nuances in some of these cases without being labeled and sometimes banned.
Just reading the story, I don't see nothing wrong being told that being open to nudity would lead to more parts. As a black male, I thought about how I would feel if I was told that I would get more parts if I was open to being a thug, drug addict, or drug dealer. I don't personally think that is racist but I could understand how some people would.
Read the thread some. Its just about believing victims without going in with the assumption that they're lying, which people were doing with the James Franco story already.
Rape apologism is bullshit and unacceptable and this is a private space where such things do not have to to be tolerated.... We do not need to debate everything.... and that does not make it an echo chamber.
We also don't tolerate homophobia, transhpobia or bigotry in general.... This is not the wild west... and it's not an Echo Chamber either.
I disagree with your assessment and with your command. I much prefer "take every accusation seriously."And watch as all the people in the last Franco thread that argued otherwise are long gone.
How many times does it need to be said before arrogant, ignorant men, especially on this board, get it? WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUAL ASSAULT, BELIEVE WOMEN, ALWAYS.
Read the thread some. Its just about believing victims without going in with the assumption that they're lying, which people were doing with the James Franco story already.
When will the slippery slope of calling out sexual assault end?
Its exploitative to only give roles out to the people who are willing to get naked for you. And based on the allegations of what he did at those nude shoots, its kind of obvious he had other motives with that.
I think sometimes it is hard to talk about the nuances in some of these cases without being labeled and sometimes banned.
Just reading the story, I don't see nothing wrong being told that being open to nudity would lead to more parts. As a black male, I thought about how I would feel if I was told that I would get more parts if I was open to being a thug, drug addict, or drug dealer. I don't personally think that is racist but I could understand how some people would.
echo chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
I am not sure. ''Sexual assault'' is a pretty definitive definition. Is saying hi enough to fall in that line? I dont think it is.
Franco's removing the plastic guardians between genitals is coming awfully close of that definition however. But for what it exactly is is only in the hands of a court. I can imagine it could also be seen as ''flashing'' or regular assault aswell.
I quoted the posted specifically for a reason, which is why my response is appropriate to that quote. I strongly disagree with what I quoted. "And watch as all the people in the last Franco thread that argued otherwise are long gone.
How many times does it need to be said before arrogant, ignorant men, especially on this board, get it? WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUAL ASSAULT, BELIEVE WOMEN, ALWAYS."
Questioning accusers isn't believing they're lying. It means figuring out what's what and getting to the bottom of it. That's why I find this whole line of discussion disingenuous. If you believe accusations, it already means you've condemned the accused. You don't get it both ways.
Conservatives LITERALLY tried to use "I Believe Women" to entrap The Washington Times on Roy Moore, except The Washington Times literally did what many people in this thread are calling for: They didn't "believe" an accuser about a claim of sexual assault. Does this mean The Washington Times doesn't support victims? No. But it means that due diligence is required so that we don't turn this into a witch hunt so that people out to exploit a social climate can hurt others.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...9345ced896d_story.html?utm_term=.b841910f202c
Read the thread some. Its just about believing victims without going in with the assumption that they're lying, which people were doing with the James Franco story already.
When will the slippery slope of calling out sexual assault end?
Its exploitative to only give roles out to the people who are willing to get naked for you. And based on the allegations of what he did at those nude shoots, its kind of obvious he had other motives with that.
Um... how about we don't try to smear his brother too. Is that cool?Career over
Never liked him, in his acting and interviews there is always a smell of arrogance, same with his brother
echo chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
Questioning accusers isn't believing they're lying. It means figuring out what's what and getting to the bottom of it. That's why I find this whole line of discussion disingenuous. If you believe accusations, it already means you've condemned the accused. You don't get it both ways.
Conservatives LITERALLY tried to use "I Believe Women" to entrap The Washington Times on Roy Moore, except The Washington Times literally did what many people in this thread are calling for: They didn't "believe" an accuser about a claim of sexual assault. Does this mean The Washington Times doesn't support victims? No. But it means that due diligence is required so that we don't turn this into a witch hunt so that people out to exploit a social climate can hurt others.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...9345ced896d_story.html?utm_term=.b841910f202c
no, it's creepy either way, and I work and live in Hollywood.I'm not in hollywood, so I'm not going to pretend like I know how those things work. What would be interesting to know is was he only saying this to women or were the males also included in those conversation. If he was singling out the women, then that would add more evidence to his creepiness.
edgy. I'm sure your impending mini ban will let you see the errors of your ways.echo chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
Is this really the hill you wanna die on?echo chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
lmaoecho chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
lmao
Yeah, what a terrible echo chamber. One must be open to all opinions on whether or not sexual harassment and abuse is bad.
Its about going in with the assumption that they aren't liars. You believe what they're saying, but you don't have to immediately slap down consequences on the accused. You can look into it, see if the story can be corroborated, but you don't go into it with the mindset that she's a liar like people were doing in the previous thread. That's all that statement is about.
Theres a difference in saying you can only do those things and if you were willing to do those things you would get more parts. It seems logical that if you limit what you are willing to do, then less things would be available for you to choose from. Again, I'm not in hollywood so I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Your first response to me did not say anything about that poster clarifying his point. "read the thread some". I did. I did not read every post, there are a lot of posts. If he said he no longer agree with this, fine. I did not see that as I did not read every post. You don't get my point? My point is I don't agree with this quote. "WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUAL ASSAULT, BELIEVE WOMEN, ALWAYS."I don't get your point, I told you what that poster was saying when it came to that, because he's clarified it a bunch of times.
I think sometimes it is hard to talk about the nuances in some of these cases without being labeled and sometimes banned.
Just reading the story, I don't see nothing wrong being told that being open to nudity would lead to more parts. As a black male, I thought about how I would feel if I was told that I would get more parts if I was open to being a thug, drug addict, or drug dealer. I don't personally think that is racist but I could understand how some people would.
Um... how about we don't try to smear his brother too. Is that cool?
Can this gif also be embedded into the logo as a response to this whole website?
I can't tell if you're just arguing for semantics or are you really fighting for the right to downplay sexual assault.echo chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
It's 100 percent racist if they only want you, a black actor, to play the role of drug dealers or drug addicts.If you're not trying to have a discussion, why reply?
Most of us here don't work in hollywood, the conversation isn't limited to only those that do.
My gIf you're not trying to have a discussion, why reply?
Most of us here don't work in hollywood, the conversation isn't limited to only those that do.
I agree with everything you're saying. But many people skip the assumption that the women aren't liars and go straight to the "I always knew Franco was a scumbag."
The issue, in this case, is about 1) low pay for nudity 2) types of roles offered: hookers 3) a consensual blowjob. That's what at stake here. And to a lot of people that isn't damning enough for the kind of vitriol that's being thrown around here which is what's leading to the witch-hunt accusations.
Your first response to me did not say anything about that poster clarifying his point. "read the thread some". I did. I did not read every post, there are a lot of posts. If he said he no longer agree with this, fine. I did not see that as I did not read every post. You don't get my point? My point is I don't agree with this quote. "WHEN IT COMES TO SEXUAL ASSAULT, BELIEVE WOMEN, ALWAYS."
I second this Nigga What, but NOT because I don't KINDA agree. WarLox is correct in his thinking that nude roles for women, and thuggish, Drug Dealer, Gang bangers roles aren't COMPLETELY beneficial for women and Black men. Where he gets MY "Nigga what?!!!!" is him not thinking it's racist. It's COMPLETELY racist. And sexist. Fuck that shit.
echo chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
echo chamber
NOUN
- An enclosed space where sound reverberates.
'purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings'
- An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
'people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers'
'within the echo chamber of social media, it only takes a few abusive messages to start a firestorm'
I'll take that ban now.
Thanks, everyone. It's been real.
That's precisely want my initial reaction was saying.
"Hey man, you're a great actor and all but no one really believes a nigger can be Nick Fury. Listen, there are a lot of great, open parts out there that fit people's perception of a darkie. I've got some friends who need parts filled for thugs, drug dealers, and amateur rappers. What do you say? Remember, I'm not racist. I'm just telling you your own limitations within the industry which I partially control."
Consensual? Is that what you got from "I didn't want to do it and told him I didn't, he nudged me down and I had to make up an excuse to get out of it midway"? What vitriol is there besides people being frustrated at the people coming in to tell us about how women could be liars constantly? You can feel they're not a big deal, and that's your prerogative. But just because others do see them as a big deal doesn't mean that they're overreacting or starting a witch hunt.
"He was kind of nudging my head down, and I just didn't want him to hate me, so I did it."
Today, she said she would have handled the encounter in the car differently, especially in the wake of the Weinstein scandal. "I would say, 'No, stop, get out of my car,'" she said. "The power dynamic was really off."
Career over
Never liked him, in his acting and interviews there is always a smell of arrogance, same with his brother
Okay, you don't have to read the whole thread. Just read what I say to you.
Its just about believing victims without going in with the assumption that they're lying, which people were doing with the James Franco story already. Its about going in with the assumption that they aren't liars. You believe what they're saying, but you don't have to immediately slap down consequences on the accused. You can look into it, see if the story can be corroborated, but you don't go into it with the mindset that she's a liar like people were doing in the previous thread. That's all that statement is about.
One thought within a social group is all it takes for an idea to start to take hold.Oh yeah, because a smear on here would really take effect...........................lol
Where do you think you are, Washington Post newsroom?
Simply stated that the both of them irritate me
He nudged. She consented. She changed her mind and stopped. You can paint this as assault. Some will agree with you. Others won't. Franco is still clearly inside the statue of limitations so Violet Paley can take it to the police. For me it was consensual.
I agree with her statements that the power dynamics was off and that is the overarching issue with James Franco. He took leveraged power dynamics. Not that he was guilty of sexual assault. Not unless something else breaks that we don't know about yet.
The persons statement I quoted isn't remotely like what you just stated. If he/she clarified later, fine (he never did to me and I didn't dig around for a follow up) but I hope you see the massive difference in the two.
I don't know either person so I have no basis to automatically have a mindset to believe or disbelieve what they are saying from either side.
That's precisely want my initial reaction was saying.
"Hey man, you're a great actor and all but no one really believes a nigger can be Nick Fury. Listen, there are a lot of great, open parts out there that fit people's perception of a darkie. I've got some friends who need parts filled for thugs, drug dealers, and amateur rappers. What do you say? Remember, I'm not racist. I'm just telling you your own limitations within the industry which I partially control."
Theres a difference in saying you can only do those things and if you were willing to do those things you would get more parts. It seems logical that if you limit what you are willing to do, then less things would be available for you to choose from. Again, I'm not in hollywood so I have no idea what I'm talking about.
I shouldn't have to ignore people that keep on saying quite underhandedly that women are lying whores, or spouting barely veiled transphobia. They should be banned. No tolerance for pushing the envelope on a person's humanity.
He nudged. She consented. She changed her mind and stopped. You can paint this as assault. Some will agree with you. Others won't. Franco is still clearly inside the statue of limitations so Violet Paley can take it to the police. For me it was consensual.
That's not how consent works. If you feel you have to do it, that's not consent. The fact that she would today tell him to fuck off should show you that she was not consenting and that she didn't want to do it.