This gives me massive hope.
Normal people: who is Bernie Sanders?
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Bernie was an independent, always has been until 2016. Are you implying he only ran because an AA woman won the dem nomination? Or that he would have ran as a democrat otherwise? Or that he should have just not ran? The guy who endorsed Jesse Jackson? Because that is ridiculous.
Buddy, I didnt make the claim that Bernie Sanders is a centrist. The burden of proof is not mine.
To be clear, when you claim that Bernie Sanders is a centrist, it is not MY job to explain to you who is and who isnt a centrist. You dont have to continue this conversation if you dont want to, but lets not pretend that it stopped because of something I failed to contribute.
I don't think Bernie even ran as a Democrat though. He ran as an independent, his name wasn't even on the ballot, maybe as a write-in, for the Dem nom.
Yeah, for sure. But this time he's going in with more name-recognition. Then again, so is Biden. So your point stands.
How will you feel when Bernie loses the nom on Super Tuesday?
oh look at that you did have sources, wasn't that easy?
However, I'm still a little unclear on your train of thought here. Can you explain how Warren's submission to this cookbook proves, in your view, that she knew her family's story was false?
That's without a doubt the dumbest take I've seen tonight. Congrats to Matt.
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Bernie wasnt part of the democratic party, this tweet is straight up false.
Not *likely* to be Native? Come on now. The moral of this story is that heritage is not something you claim based on a god damn DNA test (which she STILL didnt understand by the time she was goaded into taking it), and she had no business claiming it in the first place, which she still didnt understand by 2012.
The point is that Sanders is both a sexist AND a racist, clearly.
anyway adding to my list of "vehement sanders supporters that seem to be well outside the territorial boundaries of the united states"
Yes, these are the dates corresponding with the Bernie surge narrative being picked up by the MSM. What of it? Timing doesn't line up if you are implying they are all searching for him because of what Warren said.
Hmm, so only certain right wing /center right positions or histories can throw someone into being a centrist but having them on guns isn't one of them?
The way centrist is thrown around is quite arbitrary imo and often seems to mean "anyone except Bernie Sanders" so I'm legitimately curious about the metric for that label and why he doesn't meet it.
That's Wikipedia. He lost 38% to 41% in 1988, running as an independent. He then won 56% to 39% in 1990, again as an independent, meaning the R and I candidates got 95% of the vote. On what planet does that mean the Democrat would have won if not for Sanders?
That's an interesting moral. Didn't we start out with the argument that Warren deliberately lied? Doesn't that seem different from where we ended up somehow?
Some of these takes are ridiculous in here. Calling Bernie a centrist? Like what? You people are losing your minds over politics, take a breather! Imagine being swayed into voting for someone else because of how someone's twitter followers act. Twitter!!!
You think I'm going to continue to stomach your bad faith arguments? If you are legitimately curious about the problem with Warren's claims to Native American heritage, I'm going to suggest that you do some research and educate yourself.
Be careful though, I dont want you getting lost in a Breitbart spiral when it's the only google search result that comes up!
Bernie lost the Democratic primary as a write-in, so he ran as an Independent instead.
Don't worry, I'm fairly well apprised of the material. I'm interested in whether your responses here had any coherent argument behind them. So far, every time I've asked you to spell out your position, you've responded with abuse. So I think that's fairly clear!
He literally ran and (barely) lost as an independent in 1988.
Can you stop trying to justify your wild claims because of the way other people behave/speak? That's twice in like 30 minutes. Have some integrity.
The same day he'll win California, Maine, Colorado, Okalahoma, Vermont, Minnesota, and Dems abroad while losing by less in the south than 2016? Pretty, preettttay pretty good.
It literally isn't arbitrary whatsoever, and you claiming so is disingenuous. Rebulicans are right of center. Moderates are "centrists", aka Biden, or a more moderate republican like say Mccain before he went crazy. Left of center are Warren and Biden. Not that hard.
I've heard of list-keeping as a form of some kind of voodoo magic to make people do sexism??? I don't know but lots of note-checking and list-updating so I hope the paper gets recycled, unless it's chiseled on a stone tablet
every once in a while the regular posters here try to convince gullible people that Bernie is actually not different from the average dem. they clearly don't really believe it, but its something to watch out for.
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Is that the case? There are so few votes in the Democratic primary relative to the Republican one, it looks like he could have always been running as an independent but people wrote him in for the Democratic primary anyway. Which reflects his success in the actual election.
Surely the fact that he was a write-in in the Democratic primary suggests that he wasn't running?
edit: Yep, I'm right. Sanders ran as an independent in 88 and lost, then ran as an independent again and won. Those dem primary voters must have been big fans of him.
He wasnt running as a democrat because he wasnt a democrat. Other democrats wrote his name in. Bernie stayed away from the democrats until 2016.
though if i'm being frank here it'd certainly be useful as a "why does this person feel the need to cosplay as chapo on an internet forum" metric
I'm not trying to "justify" anything. I continue to be baffled at why only some metrics seem to go into the mix when applying political labels.
But you're clearly not seeing the double standard that I see so I'm going to say good night to you for the second time and leave it there. G'night!
Literally Warren and Biden agree on most issues too. People are being divided right before our eyes just like the Republicans like it. Its just strange seeing normally logical people lose all sense and go right into "my team" mode.
I've been part of the community since the old place. I'm no alt. I just feel like posting tonight, instead of lurking, if that is alright of course! I don't feel my comment is any more out of line than the one I was replying to, nor is it unrealistic.
Lots of folks have been calling Warren a centrist or even a Republican. Which is what's making me wonder what I'm wondering.
I've been told I look like chapo before, so I recommend that more people get Seth from SFV DLC avatars if they want to cosplay too
Overall this was an incredibly boring debate. Lack of diversity was apparent, the questions were bad, and there didn't seem to be any fire in anyone except for Steyer.
Yeah, I don't know enough about politics to really throw my opinion in there especially in a debate...but it seems like people definitely came in to this debate with a winner in mind and nothing was ever going to change that.
And on that same day Biden will open up a big delegate lead by winning by much larger margins in the south. If current polling holds, Biden's win in Alabama would wipe out Bernie's delegate gain in California
If you are that confused, try to avoid making making outlandish statements that you cant back up without resorting to whataboutisms. Good night.
a smaller and smaller number every day as we all collectively forget he got permabanned
you might say his existence on internet forum resetera... is sundowning