This gives me massive hope.
This gives me massive hope.
Buddy, I didnt make the claim that Bernie Sanders is a centrist. The burden of proof is not mine.So no answer?
Let's drop it as it feels like there's a double standard at play that we won't agree on. Have a good night.
Yo.Who gets to be called a centrist and who doesn't? Which issues decide that?
if nothing else, seems to be a very consistent theme from you tonight
Yeah, for sure. But this time he's going in with more name-recognition. Then again, so is Biden. So your point stands.
Someone show me a day or two before!
and he still beat her, damn; electoralism stomping vacuous idpol-checkers shit into the dirt really does need an equivalent theme song to the Always Sunny theme
I have found it. The worst possible take on the Sanders/Warren spat:
Not *likely* to be Native? Come on now. The moral of this story is that heritage is not something you claim based on a god damn DNA test (which she STILL didnt understand by the time she was goaded into taking it), and she had no business claiming it in the first place, which she still didnt understand by 2012.Yea, the end of the story is her family are statistically likely to be as white as bleach and probably had a family "story" that got passed on to the point where nobody questioned it. This culminated in her taking a DNA test and self owning herself with the statistically reality that she's not likely to be native.
The point is that Sanders is both a sexist AND a racist, clearly.Bernie was an independent, always has been until 2016. Are you implying he only ran because an AA woman won the dem nomination? Or that he would have ran as a democrat otherwise? Or that he should have just not ran? The guy who endorsed Jesse Jackson? Because that is ridiculous.
Yes, these are the dates corresponding with the Bernie surge narrative being picked up by the MSM. What of it? Timing doesn't line up if you are implying they are all searching for him because of what Warren said.
Hmm, so only certain right wing /center right positions or histories can throw someone into being a centrist but having them on guns isn't one of them?Buddy, I didnt make the claim that Bernie Sanders is a centrist. The burden of proof is not mine.
To be clear, when you claim that Bernie Sanders is a centrist, it is not MY job to explain to you who is and who isnt a centrist. You dont have to continue this conversation if you dont want to, but lets not pretend that it stopped because of something I failed to contribute.
what use could such a list possibly serveanyway adding to my list of "vehement sanders supporters that seem to be well outside the territorial boundaries of the united states"
That's Wikipedia. He lost 38% to 41% in 1988, running as an independent. He then won 56% to 39% in 1990, again as an independent, meaning the R and I candidates got 95% of the vote. On what planet does that mean the Democrat would have won if not for Sanders?In 1988, incumbent Republican Congressman Jim Jeffords decided to run for the U.S. Senate, vacating the House seat representing Vermont's at-large congressional district. Former Lieutenant Governor Peter P. Smith (R) won the House election with a plurality, securing 41% of the vote. Sanders, who ran as an independent, placed second with 38% of the vote, while Democratic State Representative Paul N. Poirier placed third with 19%.[77] Two years later Sanders ran for the seat again and defeated Smith by a margin of 56% to 39%.[78]
Not *likely* to be Native? Come on now. The moral of this story is that heritage is not something you claim based on a god damn DNA test (which she STILL didnt understand by the time she was goaded into taking it), and she had no business claiming it in the first place, which she still didnt understand by 2012.
You think I'm going to continue to stomach your bad faith arguments? If you are legitimately curious about the problem with Warren's claims to Native American heritage, I'm going to suggest that you do some research and educate yourself.oh look at that you did have sources, wasn't that easy?
However, I'm still a little unclear on your train of thought here. Can you explain how Warren's submission to this cookbook proves, in your view, that she knew her family's story was false?
comparisons to IcedBlackCoffee and nothing else
and he still beat her, damn; electoralism stomping vacuous idpol-checkers shit into the dirt really does need an equivalent theme song to the Always Sunny theme
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Bernie wasnt part of the democratic party, this tweet is straight up false.
You think I'm going to continue to stomach your bad faith arguments? If you are legitimately curious about the problem with Warren's claims to Native American heritage, I'm going to suggest that you do some research and educate yourself.
He literally ran and (barely) lost as an independent in 1988.Bernie lost the Democratic primary as a write-in, so he ran as an Independent instead.
Can you stop trying to justify your wild claims because of the way other people behave/speak? That's twice in like 30 minutes. Have some integrity.Hmm, so only certain right wing /center right positions or histories can throw someone into being a centrist but having them on guns isn't one of them?
The way centrist is thrown around is quite arbitrary imo and often seems to mean "anyone except Bernie Sanders" so I'm legitimately curious about the metric for that label and why he doesn't meet it.
The same day he'll win California, Maine, Colorado, Okalahoma, Vermont, Minnesota, and Dems abroad while losing by less in the south than 2016? Pretty, preettttay pretty good.
Hmm, so only certain right wing /center right positions or histories can throw someone into being a centrist but having them on guns isn't one of them?
The way centrist is thrown around is quite arbitrary imo and often seems to mean "anyone except Bernie Sanders" so I'm legitimately curious about the metric for that label and why he doesn't meet it.
every once in a while the regular posters here try to convince gullible people that Bernie is actually not different from the average dem. they clearly don't really believe it, but its something to watch out for.Some of these takes are ridiculous in here. Calling Bernie a centrist? Like what? You people are losing your minds over politics, take a breather! Imagine being swayed into voting for someone else because of how someone's twitter followers act. Twitter!!!
The same day he'll win California, Maine, Colorado, Okalahoma, Vermont, Minnesota, and Dems abroad while losing by less in the south than 2016? Pretty, preettttay pretty good.
Is that the case? There are so few votes in the Democratic primary relative to the Republican one, it looks like he could have always been running as an independent but people wrote him in for the Democratic primary anyway. Which reflects his success in the actual election.Bernie lost the Democratic primary as a write-in, so he ran as an Independent instead.
He wasnt running as a democrat because he wasnt a democrat. Other democrats wrote his name in. Bernie stayed away from the democrats until 2016.Bernie lost the Democratic primary as a write-in, so he ran as an Independent instead.
though if i'm being frank here it'd certainly be useful as a "why does this person feel the need to cosplay as chapo on an internet forum" metric
I'm not trying to "justify" anything. I continue to be baffled at why only some metrics seem to go into the mix when applying political labels.Can you stop trying to justify your wild claims because of the way other people behave/speak? That's twice in like 30 minutes. Have some integrity.
every once in a while the regular posters here try to convince gullible people that Bernie is actually not different from the average dem. they clearly don't really believe it, but its something to watch out for.
I've been part of the community since the old place. I'm no alt. I just feel like posting tonight, instead of lurking, if that is alright of course! I don't feel my comment is any more out of line than the one I was replying to, nor is it unrealistic.
Lots of folks have been calling Warren a centrist or even a Republican. Which is what's making me wonder what I'm wondering.It literally isn't arbitrary whatsoever, and you claiming so is disingenuous. Rebulicans are right of center. Moderates are "centrists", aka Biden, or a more moderate republican like say Mccain before he went crazy. Left of center are Warren and Biden. Not that hard.
I've been told I look like chapo before, so I recommend that more people get Seth from SFV DLC avatars if they want to cosplay toothough if i'm being frank here it'd certainly be useful as a "why does this person feel the need to cosplay as chapo on an internet forum" metric
Yeah, I don't know enough about politics to really throw my opinion in there especially in a debate...but it seems like people definitely came in to this debate with a winner in mind and nothing was ever going to change that.Literally Warren and Biden agree on most issues too. People are being divided right before our eyes just like the Republicans like it. Its just strange seeing normally logical people lose all sense and go right into "my team" mode.
And on that same day Biden will open up a big delegate lead by winning by much larger margins in the south. If current polling holds, Biden's win in Alabama would wipe out Bernie's delegate gain in CaliforniaThe same day he'll win California, Maine, Colorado, Okalahoma, Vermont, Minnesota, and Dems abroad while losing by less in the south than 2016? Pretty, preettttay pretty good.
How many people here even get that reference Jon
If you are that confused, try to avoid making making outlandish statements that you cant back up without resorting to whataboutisms. Good night.I'm not trying to "justify" anything. I continue to be baffled at why only some metrics seem to go into the mix when applying political labels.
But you're clearly not seeing the double standard that I see so I'm going to say good night to you for the second time and leave it there. G'night!
a smaller and smaller number every day as we all collectively forget he got permabanned