No, I'm laughing at your setting up "rules" here. Was that something you were going to apply to everyone or...?
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January Democratic Debate: Des Moines, Iowa, 9PM ET CNN
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Elizabeth Warren allowed Harvard to call her the 350-year-old school's first Native American faculty member.
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The Sanders campaign has denied these claims. Who do you believe? Why?
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Do you believe the Sanders campaign is capable of lying? Why or why not?
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Because she honestly thought that was her heritage, she wasn't being a con artist.
Of course obviously. Why? They're running a political campaign.
I mean drawing a parallel between Veritas and Warren seems kinda...
I cant believe you guys are falling for this. A dispute between Sanders and Warren will only lead to both of them losing votes...
No idea if he said that but if he did I doubt he meant "women are worse", probably something along the lines of "in the current political situation, a woman isn't the best choice". But obviously Sanders cant say that because that is easily twistable even though it can be true.
No idea if he said that but if he did I doubt he meant "women are worse", probably something along the lines of "in the current political situation, a woman isn't the best choice". But obviously Sanders cant say that because that is easily twistable even though it can be true.
Except I'm not. I'm wondering if Mercury Fred literally thinks Sanders always lies or if they modulate their concept of Sanders' truthfulness based on who is making the claim.
Sanders and his campaign have a pattern of dishonesty, half truths, etc. I also watched Warren's body language tonight when Sanders said he didn't say it. I feel confident in deducing that he lied. Of course it's possible I'm wrong, but it certainly tracks with his history.
So, is the campaign lying about Project Veritas? Does Sanders want to watch Milwaukee burn?
You want me to engage you around a video from a right wing propaganda outfit? Lol no
I want you to just be honest here. Do you EVER believe Bernie Sanders? If no, don't you find that kind of odd?
I don't even see how I'm putting you on the spot. It should be pretty easy to say "Veritas is full of shit and Sanders is right to deny this tripe".
Huh? Really weird and hyperbolic framing. Between this and trying to use right wing propaganda videos to make your point... Not going to bite on this, sorry. Have a nice night!
Yes, Warren looks crazy, when her body language when Bernie denied it on stage told you all you need to know about who's telling the truth. How dare her for not shaking his hand after.
It's helpful to call right wing propaganda videos made-up bullshit. It's really easy to do. I can do it a dozen times a day. Veritas is full of shit, they're clearly ratfucking Sanders.
This wasn't meant to be a big gotcha, it's honestly bizarre you can't just say it. It's easy. Veritas is peddling bullshit about Sanders.
WUHHHHH HE'S DENYING IT!?!?!?! BUT JUST YESTERDAY HE ALSO DENIED IT!?!
Believe Warren if you want but this is silly. She knew the question was coming. She knew exactly what he was going to say.
You gave clicks to Project Veritas apparently in order to set up a literal strawman. Like I said, I'm not playing that game. G'night for real this time :)
It's not a straw man.
Look. I think Joe Biden is a terrible candidate. I think his campaign lies frequently and about very important things, like his Iraq vote. But if a right-wing smear machine stated that Joe Biden wanted to watch Milwaukee burn it would be exceedingly easy for me to say it's bullshit and Biden's team was truthful in their denial.
oh, and to address the actual straw man: I got that link from Google. No clicks.
It's both fascinating and depressing to see how people are driven to take the predictable angle on every single issue w/r/t Bernie. The same characters in every thread taking their place with so much confidence, loaded language and characterizing villains; everything gets filtered through our biases, consciously or not. People will assign gravity or triviality depending on how it affects their candidate or villain of choice. I'm not saying I'm immune from this, to be clear. I feel like I've gotten sucked in lately.
I wonder if the 2020 primary season will be worse than the 2016 one because these divisions and habits seem to be particularly informed by 2016. Everything is so tedious, rooted and unchanging, like ethnic or religious groups that have been at war for centuries.
I wonder if the 2020 primary season will be worse than the 2016 one because these divisions and habits seem to be particularly informed by 2016. Everything is so tedious, rooted and unchanging, like ethnic or religious groups that have been at war for centuries.
Era allows Washington Times links. A number of these links popped up in PoliEra earlier today which is where I heard about it.
At first glance I was like "hang on a sec where's Bernie-... ohhhhh"
Normal people: who is Bernie Sanders?
Washington times didnt have a reporter convicted of making up lies about planned parenthood. Wtf are you doing on that site bro
I agree that she wasn't trying to con anyone but
"No, as I said, these are my family stories. I have lived in a family that has talked about Native Americans, talked about tribes since I had been a little girl," she said. "I still have a picture on my mantel and it is a picture my mother had before that - a picture of my grandfather. And my Aunt Bea has walked by that picture at least a 1,000 times remarked that he - her father, my Papaw -- had high cheek bones like all of the Indians do. Because that is how she saw it and your mother got those same great cheek bones and I didn't. She that thought was the bad deal she had gotten in life."
I don't see how you can just sweep this under the rug.
I'm not. It was a huge mistake and something she needed atone for. There's a difference between that and being a con artist.
what you're trying to do here is gross and completely obvious
Sander's fan boys are drumming up the same tunes from 2016. Makes it harder to back him over even someone like Biden. Just way too rabid online. People will make decisions based on stuff like that, I don't know if it's enough to make a dent electorally but it might be.
I really felt that John Legend tweet.
I really felt that John Legend tweet.
CNN continues to be the worst by not providing the debate on YouTube.
I guess Pete did good according to them.
I guess Pete did good according to them.
Well hopefully most people vote based on policies not personality
I can't believe Warren gave praise to Amy.
Like AOC said, it's calling giving a damn
Like AOC said, it's calling giving a damn
The good thing about it is that after a while, we all know who is who and where they are coming from.
Honestly between The Fight™, Pete's general ickyness, and the shit Trump has been doing, Biden is looking like the unity candidate he's always claimed to be.
Also in the general, even the most die-hard conspiracy theorists probably would admit he's unlikely to secretly assassinate his own ambassador, which I don't think is something you could have said for Clinton unfortunately.
Also in the general, even the most die-hard conspiracy theorists probably would admit he's unlikely to secretly assassinate his own ambassador, which I don't think is something you could have said for Clinton unfortunately.
That's a BS catch all response, also AOC while being an energetic liberal lightening rod she is human, i.e. not always right or perfect. Tied of people holding her up as the standard bearer for democracy, let her do the job for a couple more years at least.
Back on topic, not every single thing perceived as a misdeed rises to the level where we need to cancel someone.
Are you insinuating that Hillary WOULD have secretly assassinated her own ambassador?
I'm saying that conspiracy theorists would definitely believe that she would, and a lot of independents probably wouldn't bat an eye. She already had Benghazi at that point as baggage.
Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich and all that jazz
Edit: To be clear, I think an advantage that Joe has over Trump vs Hillary is that he's less vulnerable to the "they're both just as bad" kind of stuff because he doesn't have quite the same history of smear campaigns that Hillary did.
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Thanks mods for removing that dumb Project Veritas link.
Nobody should be giving anything from Project Veritas the time of day - they are far right scammers, has been proven over and over again. If you see the names Project Veritas/James O'Keefe, Dinesh D'Souza or Jacob Wohl, you can safely ignore anything they're trying to push. It's pretty much guaranteed to be fraud, based on their past behavior.
Nobody should be giving anything from Project Veritas the time of day - they are far right scammers, has been proven over and over again. If you see the names Project Veritas/James O'Keefe, Dinesh D'Souza or Jacob Wohl, you can safely ignore anything they're trying to push. It's pretty much guaranteed to be fraud, based on their past behavior.
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