It's called pastel colors, on both dolls. The only way for Marina to look darker is to not have gone with pastel colors. But they wanted pastel colors. So it's either whitewash or not-so-kewl regular colors and they chose the former. It still sucks
I'm going to help you with this, then stop engaging because you're so defensive on this it's seeming like you're not coming to it with any sort of open mind (while also insisting that you don't have an opinion on it): Nintendo has already done this in the past in physical products, and they've done the corollary as well where to represent a character that's been "corrupted," they darken the normally light/white skin tone into what most would consider the "black" range. There's no retort you can make to that, because it's true. And even in a corporate pipeline, changes like this can be pushed through or justified in plenty of ways where the result is the same, and it's very, very uncommon for it to be an accident. And monumentally less so when the company is promoting photos of the final product like this.
You're insisting this was an accident, and I've presented you with process reasons why that would be very unlikely, and the precedent of this company having done it before, in both directions. It's why people are regarding it as whitewashing; because it is.
Tbh, that is something very USA centric. Never heard of it before the old forum people talked about it.
As for the plushie... Why?
Are you for real right now?Looking at the picture posted in #51, I'm not seeing the issue?? it's a lighter shade?
oh, forgot you gotta get a hot take in first before reading the thread..
WatYep, japan still tryin to not like ganguro
There was some anime a few years back that had a ganguro character that had their skin lightened the heck up before it aired.
Are you for real right now?
I get that people want to defend something they like but this is pretty sad.
The same thing also happened recently a week or 2 ago with Naomi Osaka being whitewashed in a commercial based on Prince of Tennis. Its messed up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46986366
Not as much as yours suck.posts like yours...they suck.
assuming i'm here because I like splatoon?
assuming i'm defending "it"?
i get that people want to attack something they don't like but this is pretty sad <<<< I can do the same thing. it doesn't add anything to the convo.
thank you though.
Looking at the picture posted in #51, I'm not seeing the issue?? it's a lighter shade?
oh, forgot you gotta get a hot take in first before reading the thread..
Not as much as yours suck.
Here is what you said:
You don't see the issue, you think people are posting hot takes on legitimate issues without understanding the context. What is the context for making a black skinned character whiter exactly? Even post 51 doesn't defend nor say anything about the skin tone of the plushie and yet you picked it as some kind of proof that it is not a problem.
On the "like" comment, I take it back. You are right on that front.
Looking at the picture posted in #51, I'm not seeing the issue?? it's a lighter shade?
oh, forgot you gotta get a hot take in first before reading the thread..
plushie...not so much. there are many other things wrong with the style of BOTH those plushies, enough for me to say they just fucked them up.
For one, the art they used doesn't even have the same art as the game. It was way lighter which the plushie used. If it was darker but the plushie was whiter then yeah I could understand it being some kind of mistake.Post 51 was an actual image of it, which is darker than the promo material. So the plushie itself is darker. Is it the right tone? No. But I don't think it's white washing. I'm not hand waving. I don't think it's right people are coming in here and saying it's definitely white washing, when it doesn't make sense for Nintendo or Sanrio to do so. Like...why would they do that? For what purpose/goal? Doing so hurts their bottom line.
I appreciate you taking back that "like" comment.
I see what you mean. They have no excuse really. But in my experience -artists I know personally, others I follow in different places- sometimes they just simply omit the darker tones. Doesn't matter if it's brown, red or blue, they only go for the lightest tones because they're looking for a very desaturated/light palette.This is a sample range of pastel-friendly skintones for a decent range of ethnicities. Each has a corresponding Pantone, which can be purchased as fabrics, inks, or dyes for fabrics. They have polyester thread color-matches as well, which are common for mass-produced embroidery. I don't think Marina's whitening was caused by choosing pastel colors. There are plenty of options beyond what I have here, but simply put, choosing an appropriate skin tone was not a design challenge.
To help illustrate how similar the colors they arrived at are in terms of lightness, this is one section each from the Marina and Pearl figures with the color desaturated (it's roughly on the forehead for Marina, and sort of on the cheek for Pearl, just because the lighting was most similar in those spots):
It's also observed in the UK, but in October.Tbh, that is something very USA centric. Never heard of it before the old forum people talked about it.
As for the plushie... Why?
I hope you know the context of this gif. That guy is the most famous black dude in S.Korea and is of legend status over there. I really hated it when that gif went viral with people not knowing who he was. He has done a lot for making that country learn more about black people in general.
Also, that plushie is abysmal. The whitewashing is blatant.
The same thing also happened recently a week or 2 ago with Naomi Osaka being whitewashed in a commercial based on Prince of Tennis. Its messed up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46986366
We live in great times, where everyone who wants to feel offended, can pretty much find something to do so. No one has to go away empty-handed.
Huh. Why are people throwing around accusations of 'white'-washing against an Asian country? The Japanese aren't white, they're yellow-ish. For aesthetic reasons, they prefer paler skin tones for everything. All of their supposedly Japanese anime characters for example have white skin, and you don't see them accusing themselves of 'white'-washing anime.
Nintendo has more racial diversity in their games now because their games are marketed internationally. But are these plushies being sold anywhere outside of Japan? You are all making a lot of fuss over another country's local products.
Huh. Why are people throwing around accusations of 'white'-washing against an Asian country? The Japanese aren't white, they're yellow-ish. For aesthetic reasons, they prefer paler skin tones for everything. All of their supposedly Japanese anime characters for example have white skin, and you don't see them accusing themselves of 'white'-washing anime.
Nintendo has more racial diversity in their games now because their games are marketed internationally. But are these plushies being sold anywhere outside of Japan? You are all making a lot of fuss over another country's local products.
Overreaction? They clearly made her more pale than the artwork saw above. I had no idea who this character was, but yeah they bleached her skin and it's noticeable, the artwork as well.Yeah, so overreaction too much. It's just that both plushies are too bright.
Oh come the fuck on, not whitewashing? A person who doesn't know shit about Splatoon won't look the plushie and say "Ah yes, that's a black character". People handwaving this shit away is why Japan keeps getting away with shit like this.Post 51 was an actual image of it, which is darker than the promo material. So the plushie itself is darker. Is it the right tone? No. But I don't think it's white washing. I'm not hand waving. I don't think it's right people are coming in here and saying it's definitely white washing, when it doesn't make sense for Nintendo or Sanrio to do so. Like...why would they do that? For what purpose/goal? Doing so hurts their bottom line.
Whitewashing is a problem and there are examples of it coming from japan, the Naomi Osaka ones posted above are examples of it. But I don't think this is one of them.
I appreciate you taking back that "like" comment.
So basically the same excuse people use to defend blackface, I get it.Was it done so intentionally? We don't know
Why are people assuming it was done in bad faith?
Yeah? Pardon me for not raising a big fuss over the colours of local TOYS. Would you also make a fuss if African countries made skin tones darker for local toys? For example, if they used a completely black shade for people who only have light-brown skin? Because this is essentially what you are all doing.Semantices the argument. Call it colorism because Japan has a huge problem with it as do many Asian countries. It's fucked up, don't downplay it.
It would also be dumb to think a color change on a plushie is white washing but here this thread exists.
People bring offended by whitewashing is not a new thing at all.We live in great times, where everyone who wants to feel offended, can pretty much find something to do so. No one has to go away empty-handed.
People in marketing can be really stupid.Strange.
People who like Splatoon 2 and want to get such toys probably want something that resembles the original characters, but this plushies looks nothing like them.
Did they really feared that a dark skinned doll would not sell to an audience that adored the game?