it;s a running joke that everyone is japanese only, no matter what if japan does it. if they drew LeBron he'd be japanese
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it;s a running joke that everyone is japanese only, no matter what if japan does it. if they drew LeBron he'd be japanese
Gundam was awesome for this kinda stuff
Still one of my fav anime characters
it;s a running joke that everyone is japanese only no matter what if japan does it. if they drew LeBron he'd be japanese
That's because she's half Haitian
Is this real? Was Marina called "articulate" for real in-game? If so how the hell did that get a pass through localization!?
I don't think Nintendo would write things like this in the game is Marina wasn't supposed to be black.
I haven't played the game or know the context of that image, but what it looks like to me is on-the-nose social commentary that isn't inappropriate.Is this real? Was Marina called "articulate" for real in-game? If so how the hell did that get a pass through localization!?
Is this real? Was Marina called "articulate" for real in-game? If so how the hell did that get a pass through localization!?
Actually in general captain cuttlefish is an old man, so he does also say some questionable dated things like how he doesn't see species too. But anyway yeah, the logic behind pearl and cuttlefishs reaction is that because she's an octoling. Which until the end of splatoon 1 were seen as awful beings.Is this real? Was Marina called "articulate" for real in-game? If so how the hell did that get a pass through localization!?
It's 100% intended, don't you see Marina reacting appropriately in her replies? That's the point and part of the theme of the expansion.Is this real? Was Marina called "articulate" for real in-game? If so how the hell did that get a pass through localization!?
Isn't she Japanese in the same way Lupita Nyongo is Mexican (yep, Lupita was born there)? Naomi hasn't lived in Japan for decades and doesn't even speak the language. Her father was Haitian as well.
I did see that but it's hard to understand the intent without the full context or having played the game. I'm still confused to be honest here but I'll take your word that it's handled well.It's 100% intended, don't you see Marina reacting appropriately in her replies? That's the point and part of the theme of the expansion.
Are these interactions translated from Japanese, or is that just part of the English localization. The verbage and commentary sounds very much like it came for someone at NoA. I'd be very impressed if the Japanese writing team was addressing these issues in game with that exchange.Actually in general captain cuttlefish is an old man, so he does also say some questionable dated things like how he doesn't see species too. But anyway yeah, the logic behind pearl and cuttlefishs reaction is that because she's an octoling. Which until the end of splatoon 1 were seen as awful beings.
That said seeing reactions in here I take it many didn't play the octo expansion.
Nyongo was born in Mexico to Kenyan parents, and lived there until she was one year old.Isn't she Japanese in the same way Lupita Nyongo is Mexican (yep, Lupita was born there)? Naomi hasn't lived in Japan for decades and doesn't even speak the language. Her father was Haitian as well.
Yeah the chat logs are full of Cuttlefish doing a bad job trying not to be racist around Marina. That's not even the only time he says "I don't see species".
Very likely Noa. I keep hearing how apparently they mangle Pearl and Marinas dialogue.Are these interactions translated from Japanese, or is that just part of the English localization. The verbage and commentary sounds very much like it came for someone at NoA. I'd be very impressed if the Japanese writing team was addressing these issues in game with that exchange.
You got to admit it's pretty similar. The biggest difference is Osaka has a Japanese Mother but Osaka herself doesn't even speak Japanese. She has the nationality but she has lived and trained her entire life since she's been able to retain memories elsewhere.On top of not being representative of what the character looks like, both of them look weird and sunbleached. The color choices are bad just from an aesthetic level.
Nyongo was born in Mexico to Kenyan parents, and lived there until she was one year old.
Osaka was born in Japan, her mother is Japanese and her dad is Haitian, and she lived there until she was three.
Make up your own mind from there about your feelings on ethnicity and nationality, I guess.
It's not even just Japan. It's East Asia in general views white skin is seen as the highest form of beauty. From what I read it's because white skin was associated with the upper class who didn't work in the field and thus didn't tan. People in Asia don't really see it as a race thing but it's still shitty.
Some Nintendo apologists here handwaving the whitewashing. Oh that's Japan... it's Japan though. No, it's currently Nintendo.
Nintendo in the past 6 months had
1) this
2) issues with pairing apes with black characters in SMASH
3) issues with stereotyping Native Americans in SMASH
4) gives lip service regarding investigating Nintendo Russia CEO Yasha Haddaji (He got a formal warning) for his behaviour caught on stream.
Yeah... where is the outcry of people in the thread boycotting Nintendo (using the CD Projekt Red Twitter complaints as a comparison). Remember one of their social media handlers was sacked. Those tweets came from someone lower down with no real power while Nintendo gets the free pass when the higher ups are involved/approved of the 4 above issues. I'm not trying to downplay the hurt caused by the tweets made by CD Projekt Red in any way. Sacking was fair.
It's a parallel to "I don't see race", something said by someone professing to not be racist but also ignoring the ways that racism exists and perpetuates, including from the speaker. There are multiple instances in the chat logs where Cuttlefish says that exact line reflexively after being called out for saying something racist about Octarians.I always thought that because Octolings and Squids had been enemies, and Marina was an Octoling, he was saying that it doesn't matter what happened in the past. I. E. Hes not judging her because of her species. Or have I misinterpreted it.
It's not even just Japan. It's East Asia in general views white skin is seen as the highest form of beauty. From what I read it's because white skin was associated with the upper class who didn't work in the field and thus didn't tan. People in Asia don't really see it as a race thing but it's still shitty.
It's absolutely crazy how so young kids can already be so influenced, especially kids who are POC so they don't pick it up at home from a racist family or something. The video you shared is heartbreaking to watch. I've seen the doll experiment before, but it's always just as sad to see.Kids get conditioned by white supremacist society that black people are lazy, criminals, and not good people so they take that racism in and project on to these dolls. Much like what youre doing.
It's a parallel to "I don't see race", something said by someone professing to not be racist but also ignoring the ways that racism exists and perpetuates, including from the speaker. There are multiple instances in the chat logs where Cuttlefish says that exact line reflexively after being called out for saying something racist about Octarians.
"Articulate" in that context has some serious cultural history, but essentially is a racist backhanded compliment that simultaneously damns by faint praise (the ability to speak coherently isn't a thing that's singled out for praise normally) and implies comparison with and the expectation of a racist stereotype.
I don't see language ability as a prerequisite for ethnicity or nationality, and neither do the rules and laws that define these things. Where your parents are from is pretty important for defining your ethnicity and race, so yeah, that's the biggest difference. She's half Japanese, she was raised by a Japanese mother (who was born and raised in Japan) in a Japanese and Haitian household after she was born in Japan and lived there for three years. Her mom spoke to her in Japanese, so she can understand it, she just can't speak it, which is common for children of immigrants. You can say that it doesn't count, though that seems pretty arbitrary, but her ethnicity and nationality are –in addition to Haitian and American, respectively– Japanese.You got to admit it's pretty similar. The biggest difference is Osaka has a Japanese Mother but Osaka herself doesn't even speak Japanese. She has the nationality but she has lived and trained her entire life since she's been able to retain memories elsewhere.
Very likely Noa. I keep hearing how apparently they mangle Pearl and Marinas dialogue.
It's a parallel to "I don't see race", something said by someone professing to not be racist but also ignoring the ways that racism exists and perpetuates, including from the speaker. There are multiple instances in the chat logs where Cuttlefish says that exact line reflexively after being called out for saying something racist about Octarians.
"Articulate" in that context has some serious cultural history, but essentially is a racist backhanded compliment that simultaneously damns by faint praise (the ability to speak coherently isn't a thing that's singled out for praise normally) and implies comparison with and the expectation of a racist stereotype.
Treehouse is super sharp with their modern localizations. You'll hear modern day slang and phrasing make its way into games they localize. Doesn't surprise me they would tackle this either.
Imma need a source for this, cause that doesnt look like Sam Okyere to me.
Localization on projects like this mean, in some cases, totally re-writing jokes or references to give a similar impression as the original for the new region. 8-4 Play is a podcast by one of the more high-profile firms that works frequently with Nintendo on localization. I don't think they worked on Splatoon, but if you're curious, that type of work comes up quite a bit in their more general game discussions.
I understand how localization can work. I believe a number of the splat completions likely used regionalized things like ketchup and mustard or burgers and hot dogs or whatever. That exchange with Cuttlefish read as a very American (or Western) exchange so I was pretty sure it didn't come from Japan. Does the original Japanese exchange have a similar racial faux pa, or is that an invention of the localization team?Normally it's faithful to the original idea but it's a localization, not a direct translation so things are changed for the appropriateness of the region it is going to be distributed in. It's not really just a NoA thing either. It's likely most games out of Japan have stuff entirely rewritten depending on the context being presented. Unless you're playing some uber Japanese inspired work, it's changed up to some degree.
Damn, the writers went there. Wonder how Splatoon players took the game being a wee bit political by going into white privilege and colour blind racism.
I don't think Nintendo would write things like this in the game is Marina wasn't supposed to be black.
I can't deny that I find this whiter look cuter and more appealing. Maybe that's why they did the whitewash redesign, to sell to customers like me.
Thank you. For some reason I didn't know how she looks.Just in case someone, for some reason, doesn't know what she looks like normally:
Can't speak to the translation, and I'm not sure whether you're more concerned with the sanctity of the original Japanese dialogue or the game addressing it he Splatoon world's form of racism, but ...I understand how localization can work. I believe a number of the splat completions likely used regionalized things like ketchup and mustard or burgers and hot dogs or whatever. That exchange with Cuttlefish read as a very American (or Western) exchange so I was pretty sure it didn't come from Japan. Does the original Japanese exchange have a similar racial faux pa, or is that an invention of the localization team?
Ethnicity is a different thing I'm with you on that and the fact that language is not a prerequisite either but for me a person who has never lived in said country as long as said person can remember is an important part. Couple that with the fact that she doesn't speak the language and that she received all her love of the sport and training in the foreign country where she's lived since she was 3 and yeah, I'd say she's almost as much Japanese as Lupita Nyongo is Mexican. Almost.I don't see language ability as a prerequisite for ethnicity or nationality, and neither do the rules and laws that define these things. Where your parents are from is pretty important for defining your ethnicity and race, so yeah, that's the biggest difference. She's half Japanese, she was raised by a Japanese mother (who was born and raised in Japan) in a Japanese and Haitian household after she was born in Japan and lived there for three years. Her mom spoke to her in Japanese, so she can understand it, she just can't speak it, which is common for children of immigrants. You can say that it doesn't count, though that seems pretty arbitrary, but her ethnicity and nationality are –in addition to Haitian and American, respectively– Japanese.
I remember watching that ad on YouTube like a week before it blew up during the Australian Open and thinking "Okay, I see Nishikori, but where is Osaka in this ad?"
Japan as a country has a problem with racism for a long time now, even toward white western people that you think they consider "high beauty". I've lived there for 6 months, not what I would call a good country for a foreigner or what they call a "gaijin" so casually.
You guys have probably never seen it but there's a kid's show called PJ Masks. One of the main characters Catboy is clearly brown skinned but when he puts his costume on - the form that's of course used for all the merchandising - his skin visibly changes colour. On some of the toys my daughter has, including a big plushie, his skin is whiter than mine. The reason why is obvious. It makes me angry.
While the specifics are likely 100% NoA I do wonder how much the theme of facing racism is in the original text. The Splatoon leads are much younger devs than Nintendo's average so they might be trying to put these ideas in there even in Japan?Yeah the chat logs are full of Cuttlefish doing a bad job trying not to be racist around Marina. That's not even the only time he says "I don't see species".
Looking closer at in-person images actually, it does seem they used a more brown-ish colour than Pearl