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It doesn't make much sense to blame it on a specific company. Usually, lobbyists come from associations which are supported by a variety of companies including Nintendo, Sony, Konami, etc rather than directly from the individual companies. They are all responsible.

Think about the ESA in America and the lobbying they do.
 
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Would this make re-installing MGO2 illegal in Japan? Since you have to install modified PS3 backup data just to get past the title screen. It would be crazy if so because the Japanese playerbase is the biggest one left that still plays that game.
I believe that one is illegal already since it requires use of a modified backup of the game that's distributed online. As far as I know there are no instructions on how to make your own hacked backup of MGO (not a normal backup of MGS4/MGO, the only current way to play requires a modified backup).
 

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But don't you worry, comic artist. We'll have your spot in the magazine waiting for you so you can pick up where you left off after your fucking CONVICTION FOR CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

That's what happens when that law began to exist just in 2014 by external pressure and it's still very weak on it's punishment.
 

chrisypoo

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What government agency is even going to enforce this law? How? This seems like one of those "technically it's a law but....." situations. Weird stuff though.
 

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Remember Japan is the country where a company (Nintendo I think) successfully lobbied to get game and video rentals banned as copyright infringement.
 

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So what happens when someone purchases a new console to replace one that died, or was upgraded from and they want to trasnfer their saves? Are they now going to prosecute for that as well, since it's technically modifying a save?
 

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Remember Japan is the country where a company (Nintendo I think) successfully lobbied to get game and video rentals banned as copyright infringement.
It was not "a company", it was multiple game companies working alongside the RIAJ. They were all in on it.

Nintendo America (led by Howard Lincoln) tried to get a similar law passed in America, but it was shot down multiple times. IIRC they even tried to sue blockbuster as well.
 

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Wasn't this whole thing debunked weeks ago? Pretty sure I saw someone link to a Reddit post that explained this was nonsense. I'll see if I can find it.
 

milkyway

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It's a bummer to see a law protecting micro transactions, depressing even considering how exploitive they usually are. Not that I agree with save editing used in more malicious ways but to think it could result in a prison sentence is ridiculous.
 

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It was not "a company", it was multiple game companies working alongside the RIAJ. They were all in on it.

Nintendo America (led by Howard Lincoln) tried to get a similar law passed in America, but it was shot down multiple times. IIRC they even tried to sue blockbuster as well.
They also tried to do the same with the Game Genie and lost.
 

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Looks like Japan governments are desperate to fill prisons up.

They should go after pedophiles and makers of pedo media instead.
 

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There's a lot of history behind this ruling and it goes back to two major cases from the mid-90s.

One of them involved the PlayStation version of Tokimeki Memorial. Getting the main girl in that game was extremely difficult so some company sold memory cards with hacked save data that gave you maximum statistics so it was much easier to get the best ending. Konami sued them and won. There was also another case where a strategy guide for a PC Romance of the Three Kingdom games included a disk with a program that let you hack your own save data. This, however, was ruled to be legal. There were some inconsistencies, but the gist seemed to be that game save data was copyrighted so it couldn't be sold separately, but actually hacking your own save data was OK enough, at least at the time. But probably it's more likely because the console business (and Konami) was much larger than the PC business and Koei. So like the rest of this thread suggests, it's a very pro-corporate ruling.

Anyway, remember when Nintendo sued Galoob over the Game Genie, and the US courts ruled in Galoob's favor? Imagine a world where the courts ruled in Nintendo's favor instead, so that basically set the landscape for cheat devices and modding in Japan.
Who was buying those Tokimemo memory cards? The game already had a code in it to boost your statistics really high to get any girl.
 

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The author of Rurouni Kenshin is a known pedophile. He has been caught buying child porn DVDs, has admitted to it, has stated that he likes girls as young as elementary school, and has been convicted.

His punishment was a light fine and then was allowed to go straight back to his job writing manga. Barely even a slap on the wrist.
 
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Wasn't this whole thing debunked weeks ago? Pretty sure I saw someone link to a Reddit post that explained this was nonsense. I'll see if I can find it.


These things always get "debunked", fact is Japan has some weird ass laws and this one wouldn't be surprising as stupid as it is.
Also pretty obvious who this is aimed against - save file editors, which does not really make it any less ridiculous, but at least somewhat comprehensible.
 

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This is to stop the interfering with mobile games with currencies and economies I imagine.
Not to stop stop you giving all of your characters in FF7 9999HP
 

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because in japan, the police do what nintendo tells them to, thats why they started cracking down on game bars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyPW4g6H66w

even renting video games is illegal, still

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So in Japan you can be a pedophile, but not alter video game saves.
That's......... wtf.
 

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This law is more criminal than the shit it's trying to prevent. Absolute insanity. Imagine having 5 years taken away from you for something so completely innocuous. The people who passed this law are the ones who need to be locked up.