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Japan laws now prison you for 5 years for save data changes
- Thread starter cucholix
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What about those chalice dungeon codes shared for Bloodborne featuring cut content by way of save modding? Is that included?
Keep in mind that we're talking about the same country that lets pedophiles convicted of possessing child pornography off the hook with a four digit fine.
"So, what are you in here for?"
"First degree murder"
"Money laundering"
"I hacked my Pokemon Sun/Moon save so I could get a shiny Solgaleo with perfect IVs"
"First degree murder"
"Money laundering"
"I hacked my Pokemon Sun/Moon save so I could get a shiny Solgaleo with perfect IVs"
l m a o Japan.
Though i could see this passing in the UK or USA too.
Lobbyists and those who listen to them are scum.
Though i could see this passing in the UK or USA too.
Lobbyists and those who listen to them are scum.
I suppose the idea is to prevent people accessing stuff they should normally pay for. But this show the ridiculous stage of the industry. Everything can be sold now. Fast xp, in game money, in game resources... What's next? Selling you the ability to bypass hard bosses?
It's incredible this ever got approval. Another one of those cases where the punishment is infinitely worse than the crime. And then on the flip-side we see rapists getting less jail time.
Americans and Brits currently living in Japan.
The time I spent playing Skyrim (PC) would have earned me several lifetimes in prison.
Everyone quietly moves away from the fiend.
Everyone quietly moves away from the fiend.
There's a lot of history behind this ruling and it goes back to two major cases from the mid-90s.
One of them involved the PlayStation version of Tokimeki Memorial. Getting the main girl in that game was extremely difficult so some company sold memory cards with hacked save data that gave you maximum statistics so it was much easier to get the best ending. Konami sued them and won. There was also another case where a strategy guide for a PC Romance of the Three Kingdom games included a disk with a program that let you hack your own save data. This, however, was ruled to be legal. There were some inconsistencies, but the gist seemed to be that game save data was copyrighted so it couldn't be sold separately, but actually hacking your own save data was OK enough, at least at the time. But probably it's more likely because the console business (and Konami) was much larger than the PC business and Koei. So like the rest of this thread suggests, it's a very pro-corporate ruling.
Anyway, remember when Nintendo sued Galoob over the Game Genie, and the US courts ruled in Galoob's favor? Imagine a world where the courts ruled in Nintendo's favor instead, so that basically set the landscape for cheat devices and modding in Japan.
One of them involved the PlayStation version of Tokimeki Memorial. Getting the main girl in that game was extremely difficult so some company sold memory cards with hacked save data that gave you maximum statistics so it was much easier to get the best ending. Konami sued them and won. There was also another case where a strategy guide for a PC Romance of the Three Kingdom games included a disk with a program that let you hack your own save data. This, however, was ruled to be legal. There were some inconsistencies, but the gist seemed to be that game save data was copyrighted so it couldn't be sold separately, but actually hacking your own save data was OK enough, at least at the time. But probably it's more likely because the console business (and Konami) was much larger than the PC business and Koei. So like the rest of this thread suggests, it's a very pro-corporate ruling.
Anyway, remember when Nintendo sued Galoob over the Game Genie, and the US courts ruled in Galoob's favor? Imagine a world where the courts ruled in Nintendo's favor instead, so that basically set the landscape for cheat devices and modding in Japan.
This is bizarre, how would one get caught? Posting the data itself online? Does this only apply if you are selling it?
Absolutely insane and silly, modifying save data and the applications that does that are usually not very unique in their core functionality to do so, cheat engine is literally just a hex editor with some extra features on top.
If a multiplayer/service game is affected by local data instead of secure service transactions then someone fucked up royally developing it anyway. The only case where this could be applicable is in singleplayer games rotten with micro transactions that aims to prevent player progression in order to upsell you items.
Absolutely disgusting to try to pin it on the customers instead of rethinking how you approach the integrity and security of your product, no excuses for sentencing people jail time for wanting to have fun with a $60 game.
If a multiplayer/service game is affected by local data instead of secure service transactions then someone fucked up royally developing it anyway. The only case where this could be applicable is in singleplayer games rotten with micro transactions that aims to prevent player progression in order to upsell you items.
Absolutely disgusting to try to pin it on the customers instead of rethinking how you approach the integrity and security of your product, no excuses for sentencing people jail time for wanting to have fun with a $60 game.
Here's the Google Translated links to the "Tokimemo Case" and the "Sangokushi III Case" that gives some vague idea of the history behind these rulings:
https://translate.googleusercontent...700248&usg=ALkJrhhA4puDqS5nlkjWihjuJfzef-HfrA
https://translate.googleusercontent...700248&usg=ALkJrhhQyozISo_T6yx6K46K9qKE5-FWdQ
https://translate.googleusercontent...700248&usg=ALkJrhhA4puDqS5nlkjWihjuJfzef-HfrA
https://translate.googleusercontent...700248&usg=ALkJrhhQyozISo_T6yx6K46K9qKE5-FWdQ
Or worse, like what happened to that Idol we had a thread about which had her getting sexually assaulted and the police let the assholes go without any consequences.
Pretty sure the up to five years only becomes max when you distribute a huge software platform to modify data that harms a companies IP in a big way, and repeating to do so after getting warnings and making huge revenue out of your tool. They won't jail everyone for five years who uses a save game editor to give them 100 cheesewheels lol.
in my country, everything is forgiven when the rapist marries his victim.
Cyber Gadget already stopped selling its save editor because of this.
https://kotaku.com/game-modding-illegal-in-japan-punishable-by-prison-and-1831525943
Reading the source of the source of the actual source, seems like what this law also does is prevent the illegal creation of mass software keys that are not obtained through purchase from a publisher or distributor. It also mentions this in the official document (Google Translate):
So it seems like this is only when you modify data to sell it overseas bypassing importing/exporting restriction, that's what I take from the whole document anyway.
So it seems like this is only when you modify data to sell it overseas bypassing importing/exporting restriction, that's what I take from the whole document anyway.
Yeah this is insane. 5 years in prison for modifying a product you paid for...so much for consumer rights.
