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well, when you have really high standards this is what happens i guess
not to mention a not so inviting and pretty sexist culture
well, i guess the latter applies to the US as well tbh
not to mention a not so inviting and pretty sexist culture
well, i guess the latter applies to the US as well tbh
Or... Maybe the stuff that's mentioned in the article...
My Japanese girlfriend was telling me I could land a high-paying job there if we ever decided to move back. We currently live in Los Angeles.
I absolutely adore Japan. Their work culture is challenging but I've got a pretty crazy work ethic as it is.
HMMMMMM.
I absolutely adore Japan. Their work culture is challenging but I've got a pretty crazy work ethic as it is.
HMMMMMM.
Guess you'd have to be really, really passionate to be there for a job.
I heard from a native about the importance of punctuality to the point you better arrive at work way earlier, and how usual is to work overtime (if you leave on time, do you get the stink eye? I do wonder).
I heard from a native about the importance of punctuality to the point you better arrive at work way earlier, and how usual is to work overtime (if you leave on time, do you get the stink eye? I do wonder).
I expect changes on the visa/entry requirements in the next 5/10 years - that coupled with my Japanese ability and former work experience in Japan means I'll be able to get back with relative ease (fingers crossed)
Well, as a starter you need to know how to operate a fax machine in order to work in Japan, so millennials are out!
Crazy working hours and salary man expectations?
Xenophobic and socially distant culture?
Difficult language?
Doesn't seem very attractive as it is
Xenophobic and socially distant culture?
Difficult language?
Doesn't seem very attractive as it is
I am a slovenly shit show of a worker sometimes, so I can imagine falling foul of stricter business practices, but I do good work and I absolutely loved the country when I visited - I'd love to live in Japan. Not so sure my other half would.
I'm not surprised in the slightest. Their business practices and hierarchies really need to change if they honestly want to compete.
In terms of prospects or are you speaking to the culture? I've heard the horror stories...
The lingua franca is English in India. It also has a British legacy.
The culture needs to change fast but it won't. There is just too much outdated thinking and backwards business practices.
It's funny how my interest in visiting (or fear level?) pretty much follows those rankings as well). Singapore weirds me out.
My fiancee is an IT professional, and for her work she was sent to the US a couple years back. In the same company she made twice as much money for way less worktime and way less pressure on her than over in Japan. When we were considering whether we want to settle down back in Japan, or my home country Germany, she went back to job hunting in Tokyo. She got multiple job offers including those from huge Japanese IT companies, but compared to what she got in the US it was way lower, and for some of them she was promised a 60-80 hours work week. Not even to mention that in many contracts overtime is already included in the base salary, so the companies don't even have to pay for it. And now here in Germany we hear many stories from IT professionals from Japan moving overseas for better pay as well as better work conditions.
Don't they want to work at a company where you can't go home until your boss leaves, and then you are also obliged to go drinking with him?
The work culture in this country is so screwed up. Its no wonder so few people in high demand skill sets want to subject themselves to it. It certainly doesn't help that have ridiculous immigration policies and super strict requirements for declaration of residency. Doubt these will change until the need becomes absolutely dire.
Japan isn't attractive to me due to the work culture. Singapore and Thailand have popped up recently in my field.
Work culture mainly. Like the xenophobia is bad too, but that only really matters if you want to work and live in Japan long term and really integrate in the community. Otherwise you can just live the standard expat lifestyle and just socialise with other expats speaking your language
As someone who is currently working in Japan, I would say it's more the fault of the work culture. The expectations for the payout simply aren't acceptable. People here settle for far less than they should.
The xenophobia is more of an annoyance to me than an actual problem (I only speak for myself here).
Probably the xenophobia. There's workaholics in every culture, but Japan is very, very much against attracting foreign talent.
How's Japan with LGBT issues? I have always wanted to visit. If I liked it might consider taking my technical talent there, but I have a serious same sex partner soooo it all depends on that.
Good, less competition. I'll believe the work culture and xenophobia when I see it. I've been romanticizing the idea of moving to Japan for far too long to let anything get in the way. Currently 5 years into my career in IT, with 1 year of cybersecurity at a big 4 firm. Still hoping to somehow transfer to their Japan region down the line. By the time I'm ready to go maybe there will be some progress on the issues.
their attitude towards work is too much.
it is expect for a worker to not leave work until his supervisor leaves. As long as your supervisor is in the office, you can't go home
it is expect for a worker to not leave work until his supervisor leaves. As long as your supervisor is in the office, you can't go home
Can't speak for Taiwan but unless you're in Seoul, South Korea can be incredibly unwelcoming.
I would say the work culture. In my experience there is a lot of xenophobia but it's pretty much innocuous for the most part.
I'd totally go live in Japan. But not at the expense of lower pay, shit working conditions, and discrimination in housing, banking and everything else.
The language barrier is definitely real. I was at Todai doing research for the summer and the ethics review application was required to be filled out in Japanese, no exceptions. Nobody either at that office nor in the foreign student office knew where to get shit translated, they all acted like nobody had ever even asked them that question before. The secretary ended up having to do it herself.
The top University in their country, doing international research, and the attitude was basically "English? What's that?"
The top University in their country, doing international research, and the attitude was basically "English? What's that?"
I can say without a doubt it's the work culture. It's not something that can be easily changed and the government is unwilling to enforce real change.
Just a note; I think it's inaccurate to simplify the answer as 'work culture' and leave it at that. Singapore and Hong Kong also have demanding work cultures, but they rank near the top.
Japan specifically is popularly perceived as being gripped by a particularly strong case of ennui. It's not just that work is unreasonably demanding, it's seen as largely consisting of needless busy work and a conservative work culture that doesn't reward ambition or innovation.
Like Singapore and Hong Kong will kick the shit out of you as well, but they'll also reward you damned well if you succeed. Japan will just leave you sleeping in a capsule hotel
Japan specifically is popularly perceived as being gripped by a particularly strong case of ennui. It's not just that work is unreasonably demanding, it's seen as largely consisting of needless busy work and a conservative work culture that doesn't reward ambition or innovation.
Like Singapore and Hong Kong will kick the shit out of you as well, but they'll also reward you damned well if you succeed. Japan will just leave you sleeping in a capsule hotel
Yep, this is a big red flag that steers me clear from ever working there.
I lived and worked there for awhile. It's hard for me to feel bad about this situation for a few reasons:
1. The voting public is largely bringing this upon themselves. Japan's xenophobic contingent is huge and they keep pursuing reckless anti-immigration policies (or policies that promote only the kinds of immigration that are palatable to xenophobes) even though they know the danger. They'd rather maintain their insularity than even entertain the notion of bridging the gap between foreigner and native.
2. The work-life balance situation is improving in the sense that it was once so completely and utterly abysmal that it would have been impossible for it to get any worse. Now the situation can be described as "extremely critical and almost peerless in how awful it is" as opposed to "extremely critical and peerless in how awful it is". Shoutouts to South Korea.
3. Sexism is alive and well in Japan. Why would a woman ever want to work in a country that seemingly only nominally recognizes their rights?
I would really love to live (and work) there again someday, as there are many nice aspects to Japan. It is inarguable that it is a country that wears its history and natural beauty on its sleeve, and I find myself inexplicably attracted to it. I consider it my second home, even though I never once felt particularly included and my residence there up until the day I left felt more than a little bit artificial. But I won't be doing that until they sort out their race, gender and labor problems.
The language thing is big too but I can't really fault them for that, at least not directly; why would you learn English if Japanese is the only language you and everyone you know speaks?
I am convinced that the only reason there is an educated foreign worker presence in Japan at all is because of the country's cultural appeal to young people.
1. The voting public is largely bringing this upon themselves. Japan's xenophobic contingent is huge and they keep pursuing reckless anti-immigration policies (or policies that promote only the kinds of immigration that are palatable to xenophobes) even though they know the danger. They'd rather maintain their insularity than even entertain the notion of bridging the gap between foreigner and native.
2. The work-life balance situation is improving in the sense that it was once so completely and utterly abysmal that it would have been impossible for it to get any worse. Now the situation can be described as "extremely critical and almost peerless in how awful it is" as opposed to "extremely critical and peerless in how awful it is". Shoutouts to South Korea.
3. Sexism is alive and well in Japan. Why would a woman ever want to work in a country that seemingly only nominally recognizes their rights?
I would really love to live (and work) there again someday, as there are many nice aspects to Japan. It is inarguable that it is a country that wears its history and natural beauty on its sleeve, and I find myself inexplicably attracted to it. I consider it my second home, even though I never once felt particularly included and my residence there up until the day I left felt more than a little bit artificial. But I won't be doing that until they sort out their race, gender and labor problems.
The language thing is big too but I can't really fault them for that, at least not directly; why would you learn English if Japanese is the only language you and everyone you know speaks?
What awaits the foreigner in Japan after (s)he invests hundreds of hours into learning enough Japanese to get N1 certification is spending I-don't-know-how-many years pouring drinks for their boss at a work function they don't even want to be at since they have to be up at the crack of dawn tomorrow morning to begin their twelve hour work day.
I am convinced that the only reason there is an educated foreign worker presence in Japan at all is because of the country's cultural appeal to young people.
Someone else posted about this in another thread (possibly on GAF; it's been a while), but they basically took Deming too far and made process refinement itself an unrefined process. So what you end up with is stupid shit like reports that report on other reports ("today's status report is 90% complete and should be in by 7. Can you send me a status update to verify you received this?"), and it just becomes a lot of redundant work that serves no purpose.
Without going into specifics, I work for a company that was recently acquired by a Japanese company, and this stuff has begun creeping in to our processes. It's been less than great