Japan Sales: Famitsu Top 100 First Half 2019

Alandring · Jul 18, 2019

Onix555 said:
But Switch is one of the fastest selling consoles in the US and EU. So they should put their games on Switch.

D.Lo said:
Yeah I forgot the Switch was a flop outside Japan. Makes perfect sense for Japanese devs to give it not a single major game in three years.

It isn't a flop, but it isn't the same market. People buy a PlayStation 4 or a Xbox One for third party (AAA) games, and a Switch for Nintendo games. Mortal Kombat XI has been released the same day on all consoles in the US, but it did more sales on Xbox One and on PlayStation 4 than on Switch.

It doesn't mean an AAA shouldn't be on Switch. Even if it does 10% of its sales on Switch, it means more sales. But it's just a matter of cost. It isn't easy to port an AAA on Switch, so it isn't necessarily profitable.

Publishers aren't bad guys who hate Nintendo for no reason. They just want to be as profitable as possible. So they look to all the sales datas they have (and they have access to much more sales data than us) and port their games if they think it would be profitable. They can be wrong, but even if we only use the data we have access to, it's easy to understand why they do it.

sfortunato said:
It is a factor though. We know digital sales for many games are pretty high. Even on Nintendo platforms we have witnessed a growth in digital sales. We know, for example, that some digital only 3DS games have sold more than 200k or 300k units. We know, via Nintendo shipments, that even big games like Splatoon and Smash had a sizable digital ratio. Also, we can safely estimate that at least 5-10%, on average, of total sales of packaged come from digital channels. We can't measure how much digital has eated BUT we can safely assume that a portion of physical sales migrated over digital channels.

Yeah, that's true. I hope digital will be include, but without Nintendo (they don't share their digital datas with NPD/GSD).

sfortunato · Jul 18, 2019

Alandring said:
It isn't a flop, but it isn't the same market. People buy a PlayStation 4 or a Xbox One for third party (AAA) games, and a Switch for Nintendo games. Mortal Kombat XI has been released the same day on all consoles in the US, but it did more sales on Xbox One and on PlayStation 4 than on Switch.

It doesn't mean third party games that are released on other platforms can't sell well on Switch. In fact, many of them did. You can't measure success on whether a game has sold more on Switch or more on PS4/XB1. Mortal Kombat XI can still sell well on Switch even if it sells less than on PS4/XB1.

It's not me arguing that but Western publishers (and those who haven't been benevolent towards Nintendo before Switch):

Bethesda's Pete Hines Says Switch Game Releases Have Been A Huge Success

Take-Two Says Its Switch Releases Have Been "Successful", More Games To Come

Alandring said:
It doesn't mean an AAA shouldn't be on Switch. Even if it does 10% of its sales on Switch, it means more sales. But it's just a matter of cost. It isn't easy to port an AAA on Switch, so it isn't necessarily profitable.

True but your point is based on the fact that Mortal Kombat XI sold less on Switch than on PS4/XB1.

Alandring said:
Publishers aren't bad guys who hate Nintendo for no reason. They just want to be as profitable as possible. So they look to all the sales datas they have (and they have access to much more sales data than us) and port their games if they think it would be profitable. They can be wrong, but even if we only use the data we have access to, it's easy to understand why they do it.

Publishers make bad decisions all the time. Some of those decisions are pretty baffling. On Nintendo platforms this is much more evident because Nintendo business strategy is less aligned to publishers' needs and also more herratic.

Alandring · Jul 18, 2019

sfortunato said:
It doesn't mean third party games that are released on other platforms can't sell well on Switch. In fact, many of them did. You can't measure success on whether a game has sold more on Switch or more on PS4/XB1. Mortal Kombat XI can still sell well on Switch even if it sells less than on PS4/XB1.

Take-Two Says Its Switch Releases Have Been "Successful", More Games To Come

Absolutely, I think Mortal Kombat XI is profitable on Switch, so the port makes sense. But it's easier to port a game like that than something like Monster Hunter: World. It doesn't mean it's impossible, but if it's more difficult, which means it costs more and needs to sell more to be profitable.

sfortunato said:
Take-Two Says Its Switch Releases Have Been "Successful", More Games To Come

And look at their list of upcoming games:

Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One).
Borderlands 3 (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One, Stadia).
NBA 2K20 (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One, Switch, Stadia).
The Outer Worlds (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One).

They plan to release more games on Stadia than on Switch (even if I think Borderlands 3 will be available on Switch one day, since Borderlands 2 is available on PlayStation Vita & on PlayStation VR).

Bethesda is the only major third party publishers which release almost all its upcoming AAA on Switch. Maybe it's the only publisher which understand the true potential of the Switch, or maybe all the others publishers have good reasons to don't release their games on Switch.

sfortunato said:
Publishers make bad decisions all the time. Some of those decisions are pretty baffling. On Nintendo platforms this is much more evident because Nintendo business strategy is less aligned to publishers' needs and also more herratic.

The next months will be really interesting to see, with Wolfenstein: Youngblood, The Witcher 3, Doom Eternal and Gods & Monsters. We'll see if those AAA do well on Switch, if their publishers continue to support the console in the future and how the others major publishers will react to the sales of these games.

Mpl90 · Jul 18, 2019

More detailed stats for Switch entries in Top 100 (ranked per LTDs, with first week / LTD ratios added)

[NSW] Super Smash Bros. Ultimate # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2018.12.07} (¥7.200) - 1.238.358 / 3.158.604 (39,21%)*
[NSW] New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe <New Super Mario Bros. U \ New Super Luigi U> <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.01.11} (¥5.980) - 185.855 / 650.447 (28,57%)*
[NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe <RCE> (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980) - 280.229 / 2.364.659 (11,85%)*
[NSW] Super Mario Odyssey # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - 511.625 / 1.984.294 (25,78%)*
[NSW] Pokemon: Let's Go, Pikachu! / Let's Go, Eevee! # <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2018.11.16} (¥5.980) - 664.198 / 1.577.403 (42,11%)*
[NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # <ADV> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 193.060 / 1.358.809 (14,21%)*
[NSW] Super Mario Party # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2018.10.05} (¥5.980) - 126.275 / 1.057.114 (11,94%)*
[NSW] Minecraft # <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios) {2018.06.21} (¥3.600) - 66.050 / 830.685 (7,95%)*
[NSW] Kirby Star Allies <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.03.16} (¥5.980) - 223.811 / 735.862 (30,41%)*
[NSW] 1-2-Switch <ETC> (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980) - 82.392 / 456.724 (18,04%)
[NSW] Arms <FTG> (Nintendo) {2017.06.16} (¥5.980) - 122.007 / 434.862 (28,06%)
[NSW] Mario Tennis Aces <SPT> (Nintendo) {2018.06.22} (¥5.980) - 122.070 / 421.737 (28,94%)
[NSW] Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' Fun! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.07.19} (¥6.100) - 66.908 / 348.796 (19,18%)*
[NSW] Super Mario Maker 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.06.28} (¥5.980) - 196.153 / 334.077 (58,71%)*
[NSW] Pokken Tournament DX <FTG> (Pokemon Co.) {2017.09.22} (¥5.980) - 51.960 / 310.946 (16,71%)
[NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 01: Variety Kit <EDU> (Nintendo) {2018.04.20} (¥6.980) - 93.118 / 250.368 (37,19%)
[NSW] Xenoblade Chronicles 2 # <RPG> (Nintendo) {2017.12.01} (¥7.980) - 97.274 / 233.879 (41,59%)
[NSW] Yo-kai Watch 4: We Are Looking Up at the Same Sky <RPG> (Level 5) {2019.06.20} (¥5.980) - 150.721 / 222.791 (67,65%)*
[NSW] Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker <ADV> (Nintendo) {2018.07.13} (¥3.980) - 40.443 / 183.585 (22,03%)
[NSW] Dragon Quest Builders 2 <ADV> (Square Enix) {2018.12.20} (¥7.800) - 127.404 / 275.146 (46,30%)
[NSW] Yoshi's Crafted World <ACT> (Nintendo) {2019.03.29} (¥5.980) - 50.007 / 156.195 (32,02%)
[NSW] Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.04.04} (¥6.800) - 70.990 / 125.308 (56,65%)
[NSW] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball <SPT> (Konami) {2019.06.27} (¥6.980) - 75.505 / 105.598 (71,50%)*
[NSW] Dragon Ball FighterZ <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.09.27} (¥6.800) - 22.498 / 92.697 (24,27%)
[NSW] FIFA 19 # <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2018.09.28} (¥5.800) - 16.275 / 89.875 (18,11%)
[NSW] Doraemon: Story of Seasons <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.06.13} (¥6.100) - 42.230 / 75.199 (56,16%)*
[NSW] Go Vacation <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.12.27} (¥4.980) - 13.041 / 72.469 (17,99%)
[NSW] Nintendo Labo Toy-Con 04: VR Kit # <EDU> (Nintendo) {2019.04.12} (¥7.980) - 26.634 / 64.516 (41,28%)
[NSW] Super Robot Wars T # <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.03.20} (¥8.600) - 38.218 / 51.101 (74,79%)
[NSW] Super Run For Money Tousouchuu & Sentouchuu Double Pack <Super Run For Money Tousouchuu Atsumare! Saikyou no Tousou Monotachi \ Super Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Kyuukyoku no Shinobu to Battle Player Choujou Kessen!> <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.11.29} (¥5.300) - 4.211 / 47.831 (8,80%)
[NSW] Sumikko Gurashi: Atsumare! Sumikko Town <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2018.10.04} (¥5.800) - 5.260 / 47.609 (11,05%)
[NSW] Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon: Every Buddy! <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.03.20} (¥4.800) - 27.490 / 46.360 (59,30%)
[NSW] Fitness Boxing <HOB> (Imagineer) {2018.12.20} (¥5.800) - ? / 42.198 (?)
[NSW] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster <Final Fantasy X \ Final Fantasy X-2> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.04.11} (¥6.800) - 16.839 / 41.674 (40,41%)
[NSW] Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.01.11} (¥5.700) - 25.310 / 40.918 (61,86%)
[NSW] Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.04.25} (¥5.800) - 20.366 / 39.974 (50,95%)
[NSW] Katamari Damacy Reroll <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.12.20} (¥3.200) - 10.248 / 34.471 (29,73%)
[NSW] Beyblade Burst: Battle Zero <RPG> (FuRyu) {2018.10.25} (¥6.980) - 5.261 / 34.380 (15,30%)**
[NSW] Billion Road <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.11.29} (¥5.700) - 3.651 / 34.312 (10,64%)**
[NSW] Super Bomberman R [Smile Price Collection] <ACT> (Konami) {2018.11.29} (¥2.760) - ? / 33.108 (?)
[NSW] Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate [Best Price] <ACT> (Capcom) {2018.11.15} (¥3.990) - ? / 31.293 (?)
[NSW] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization - Deluxe Edition <Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization \ Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization - Abyss of the Shrine Maiden: Chapter I> <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2019.04.25} (¥5.700) - 17.618 / 29.782 (59,16%)
[NSW] Zoids Wild: King of Blast <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2019.02.28} (¥5.980) - 10.656 / 24.895 (42,80%)
[NSW] Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen # <ACT> (Capcom) {2019.04.25} (¥3.990) - 10.207 / 20.043 (50,92%)
[NSW] Atelier Lulua: The Scion of Arland # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2019.03.20} (¥7.800) - 10.591 / 17.208 (61,55%)
[NSW] Doraemon: Nobita no Getsumen Tansaki <ADV> (FuRyu) {2019.02.28} (¥5.980) - 4.591 / 15.868 (28,93%)

*updated as of Week 28, 2019
**games heavily helped by bargain bins

Aleh · Jul 18, 2019

Xenoblade 2 has better legs than 1-2 Switch, Arms and Pokkén. Amazing.

Antony · Jul 18, 2019

Surprised BotW has considerably stronger legs than Odyssey

Momo · Jul 18, 2019

How much more copies will Xenoblade 2 sell for the rest of the year? 30k for a total of 50k in 2019? Is that realistic?

Kerotan · Jul 18, 2019

Well would you look at that! Kingdom hearts in top spot. 1m in Japan guaranteed between future physical sales and digital.

Braaier · Jul 18, 2019

I'm surprised to see the Ps4 has as many games in the top 100 as the Switch. In the media create threads it is always like 70-90% Switch titles in the top 10.

No doubt by the end of the year there will be more Switch games in the top 100 than PS4 games

Lizardus · Jul 18, 2019

Are we seriously doing this again with Alandring? Wasn't one time enough?

Glio · Jul 18, 2019

Lizardus said:
Are we seriously doing this again with Alandring? Wasn't one time enough?

It's like a tradition.

Blackleg-sanji1 · Jul 18, 2019

Just wanna acknowledge how well days gone did...that is all

Richter1887 · Jul 18, 2019

Can't freak the Deac!
Happy Days Gone did well, same goes to Ace fricking Combat 7 and REmake 2.

Excellent games.

Jaded Alyx · Jul 18, 2019

Lizardus said:
Are we seriously doing this again with Alandring? Wasn't one time enough?

Heh.. "one time".

Guaraná · Jul 18, 2019

Nintendo's 2019 heavy hitters are all on 2nd half.
Things will change a little by the end of the year.

D.Lo · Jul 18, 2019

Lizardus said:
Are we seriously doing this again with Alandring? Wasn't one time enough?

We all take the bait.

Lizardus · Jul 18, 2019

Glio said:
It's like a tradition.

Jaded Alyx said:
Heh.. "one time".

D.Lo said:
We all take the bait.

I guess so. That last MC thread with pages upon pages with the same roundabout argument is what finally got on my nerves lol

WrenchNinja · Jul 18, 2019

Surprised KH3 did so well. Good on Japan. Let Nomura's wild ride never end.

D.Lo · Jul 18, 2019

Lizardus said:
I guess so. That last MC thread with pages upon pages with the same roundabout argument is what finally got on my nerves lol

Same with Sony frog guy, same circular arguments over and over. "Japan sales are great despite being way down" "doesn't matter if Japan sales are poor because of the west, smart move to skip the Switch" "With digital it's probably over a million" etc etc.

werezompire · Jul 18, 2019

Crazy that half of the Top 10 are Nintendo games that didn't come out this year.

Mpl90 · Jul 18, 2019

*looks at latest posts*

Two advices:
1) the ignore list is your friend
2) try to not engage in conversations where you can clearly see the other side won't change their mind and will keep on reiterating the same points: time is precious, and engaging with them "validates" them, thus the cycle will never end.

Braaier · Jul 18, 2019

D.Lo said:
Same with Sony frog guy, same circular arguments over and over. "Japan sales are great despite being way down" "doesn't matter if Japan sales are poor because of the west, smart move to skip the Switch" "With digital it's probably over a million" etc etc.

LOL, you gotta admire his positivity though.

werezompire said:
Crazy that half of the Top 10 are Nintendo games that didn't come out this year.

Well the PS4 is on its last legs in Japan and the Switch had a bad first half of the year in terms of releases so it's not entirely surprising. Things will certainly change in the second half with all the Nintendo games releasing.

Rob2K19 · Jul 18, 2019

You know why I'm here.

Tensaiya Nomura

hiska-kun said:
01. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2019.01.25} (¥8.800) - 838.927 / NEW

hiska-kun said:
36. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 + II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts HD I.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts \ Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories> \ Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX <Kingdom Hearts II \ Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ \ Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep>> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.03.09} (¥6.800) - 57.576 / 288.550

hiska-kun said:
85. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts HD II.8 Final Chapter Prologue <Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance HD \ Kingdom Hearts χ: Back Cover \ Kingdom Hearts 0.2: Birth by Sleep - A Fragmentary Passage> <RPG> (Square Enix) {2017.01.12} (¥6.800) - 19.631 / 224.738

ALL HAIL NOMURA! THE ONE TRUE TENSAI!

MysticGon · Jul 18, 2019

Full year should give us 3 million sellers then. A repeat year for Smash and then Pokemon and MM2. Not the best it's decent.

IronTed · Jul 18, 2019

Some comparisons to last year

2018 #100 [PS4] BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle # <FTG> (Arc System Works) {2018.05.31} (¥5.800) – 19.369 / NEW
2019 #100 [PS4] Langrisser I & II <Langrisser \ Langrisser II> # <SLG> (Kadokawa Games) {2019.04.18} (¥6.800) - 15.254 / NEW

The threshold for the top 100 has declined by about 4k.

2018 #10 [NSW] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze <ACT> (Nintendo) {2018.05.03} (¥5.980) – 179.179 / NEW
2019 #10 [NSW] Splatoon 2 # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - 224.791 / 3.099.211

Whereas the threshold for the top 10 rose by about 45k.

100k sellers:
2018 23
2019 23

200k sellers:
2018 9
2019 11

500k sellers:
2018 3
2019 3

Million sellers:
2018 1
2019 0

Number of games in the top 100:
2019/2018
PS4 47 (47)
NSW 47 (31)
3DS 6 (14)
PSV 0 (8)

Number of games in the top 10:
2019/2018
PS4 3 (2)
NSW 7 (7)
3DS 0 (1)

Glio · Jul 18, 2019

MysticGon said:
Full year should give us 3 million sellers then. A repeat year for Smash and then Pokemon and MM2. Not the best it's decent.

Maybe Luigi's Mansion 3 too.

sfortunato · Jul 18, 2019

Alandring said:
Absolutely, I think Mortal Kombat XI is profitable on Switch, so the port makes sense. But it's easier to port a game like that than something like Monster Hunter: World. It doesn't mean it's impossible, but if it's more difficult, which means it costs more and needs to sell more to be profitable.

Some games are easier to port, some games aren't: news at 11. Your point was that third party games aren't selling well on Switch because they tend to sell less than PS4 and XB1 counterparts which is non-sense as proven by developers themselves.

Alandring said:
And look at their list of upcoming games:

Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One).

Borderlands 3 (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One, Stadia).

NBA 2K20 (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One, Switch, Stadia).

The Outer Worlds (PC, PlayStation 4, Xbox One).

They plan to release more games on Stadia than on Switch (even if I think Borderlands 3 will be available on Switch one day, since Borderlands 2 is available on PlayStation Vita & on PlayStation VR).

Bethesda is the only major third party publishers which release almost all its upcoming AAA on Switch. Maybe it's the only publisher which understand the true potential of the Switch, or maybe all the others publishers have good reasons to don't release their games on Switch.

?

Arguing that third party games aren't selling well on Switch because they tend to sell less than PS4 and XB1 counterparts has nothing to do with what you wrote.

Alandring said:
The next months will be really interesting to see, with Wolfenstein: Youngblood, The Witcher 3, Doom Eternal and Gods & Monsters. We'll see if those AAA do well on Switch, if their publishers continue to support the console in the future and how the others major publishers will react to the sales of these games.

Audience is there as software sales have shown.

JJConrad · Jul 18, 2019

Slarvax said:
[NSW] Dragon Ball FighterZ <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.09.27} (¥6.800) - 27.698 / 92.697

I like that very much. PS4 version from Gamesdatalibrary:
Dragon Ball FighterZ [All Versions] -
59.465 / 125.333

That's with Famitsu Digital Guesses. Retail only is 105,875.

Bruno MB said:
Famitsu first half 2019 top 100 cut off at 15.254 units.
Famitsu first half 2009 top 100 cut off at 57.586 units.

Even compared to last year, the cutoff is notably down.

Antony said:
Surprised BotW has considerably stronger legs than Odyssey

It's not surprising anymore. Last year, the two games were ended up being close in Japan. This year we've been seeing BotW over Odyssey consistently in Japan, Europe and US.

*Guaraná said:
Nintendo's 2019 heavy hitters are all on 2nd half.
Things will change a little by the end of the year.

Last year didn't change that much. Nintendo's game kept rising as 3rd parties shuffled around... but Nintendo only has so many games.

MysticGon said:
Full year should give us 3 million sellers then. A repeat year for Smash and then Pokemon and MM2. Not the best it's decent.

I wouldn't rule out Luigi's Mansion or NSMBUDX. Both are expected to crawl over a million eventually, but increased hardware sales could carry them over soon than expected.

Alandring · Jul 18, 2019

sfortunato said:
Some games are easier to port, some games aren't: news at 11. Your point was that third party games aren't selling well on Switch because they tend to sell less than PS4 and XB1 counterparts which is non-sense as proven by developers themselves.

Arguing that third party games aren't selling well on Switch because they tend to sell less than PS4 and XB1 counterparts has nothing to do with what you wrote.

I absolutely don't believe in comments like that, because usually it's just PR bullshit. It's their work to find something to show how successful every game is. For example, Ubisoft said that the Q1 of their fiscal year 2019-2020 was "Higher-than-expected performance, led notably by Assassin's Creed® Odyssey, Rainbow Six® Siege, and Player Recurring Investment." They also said that The Division 2 is "the industry's biggest hit since the beginning of the year".

Everything seems positive, but if you look at real numbers, it isn't. Sales are down by 17.6% and The Division 2 is much less successful than the first game.

This is how it works. They always find something to hide when real numbers are bad. It has "the best digital ratio", "the bigger player investment" and when they can't even say that, it did "better than expected" (and as they never said what they expected, it can't be wrong).

PR is just bullshit 95% of the time, really. Often, there is absolutely nothing that you can really use. So this is what we should use:

Numbers. Of course, they're rare, even more when a game bombed. But every number we get is very useful, because we're in the dark.
Rankings. Without numbers, they aren't always useful, but if you use every ranking you have, if you compare them correctly, you can make some deductions.
The future of the franchise.

For example, Bethesda has decided to release Wolfenstein: Youngblood and Doom Eternal after Wolfenstein 2 and Doom, because it proves that they were happy with sales of those games and that they think they can make profits with those Switch versions. It's the same for FIFA and NBA 2K: if EA and Take-Two continue to do a Switch version of those games, it's because the previous entry are profitable. This is why I quoted the upcoming line-up of Take-Two. If they are really happy with their sales, why don't they release more Switch games? Why expansions of Civilization VI aren't announced for the Switch?

sfortunato said:
Audience is there as software sales have shown.

No, they don't. You can say "as some PR has said", but we have no proof that AAA games do well on Switch.

Vinnk · Jul 19, 2019

Alandring said:
No, they don't. You can say "as some PR has said", but we have no proof that AAA games do well on Switch.

Nor do we have proof that the companies are lying when they say their games are doing well on the Switch.

Comic Obsessed · Jul 19, 2019

Always happy to see XC2 legs.

Mpl90 · Jul 19, 2019

Vinnk said:
Nor do we have proof that the companies are lying when they say their games are doing well on the Switch.

I'll quote my advices from the other page, since we've entered the "PR bullshit" zone from what I've seen.

Mpl90 said:
Two advices:
1) the ignore list is your friend
2) try to not engage in conversations where you can clearly see the other side won't change their mind and will keep on reiterating the same points: time is precious, and engaging with them "validates" them, thus the cycle will never end.

Vinnk · Jul 19, 2019

Mpl90 said:
I'll quote my advices from the other page, since we've entered the "PR bullshit" zone from what I've seen.

You are correct of course. I know I shouldn't feed the trolls.

Hero · Jul 19, 2019

HaremKing said:
Counting third-party (non Sony/Nintendo/PokemonCo published) sales only

PS4 - 3,561,217
NSW - 1,583,533

A third of those PS4 third-party sales are between Kingdom Hearts 3 and Resident Evil 2, so....

HaremKing · Jul 19, 2019

Hero said:
A third of those PS4 third-party sales are between Kingdom Hearts 3 and Resident Evil 2, so....

Indeed. Those were games that had potential to flop and they did not, as KH2 came out like 15 years ago and there were like 7 or 8 games and various multimedia in between that and KH3, so fans could have easily just gotten disinterested as apparently they did with Yokai Watch.

ZaChzOOming · Jul 19, 2019

Surprisingly, a third of Switch third party sales are between Minecraft and Yokai Watch 4 too

Hero · Jul 19, 2019

HaremKing said:
Indeed. Those were games that had potential to flop and they did not, as KH2 came out like 15 years ago and there were like 7 or 8 games and various multimedia in between that and KH3, so fans could have easily just gotten disinterested as apparently they did with Yokai Watch.

Kingdom Hearts is one of the most reliable third party franchises in Japan. This reality where KH3 had "potential" flop isn't the one we are currently in.

Terraforce · Jul 19, 2019

The king continues to claim his throne

Lelouch0612 said:
MHW, DQXI and FFXV (through big discounts for the last one)

What? That isn't true. It hit 1 mill in three weeks, and that's without some of the digital totals. Don't know what reason you have to downplay its success.

https://www.dualshockers.com/final-...s-japan-christmas-total-jp-sales-now-miilion/

Gotdatmoney · Jul 19, 2019

HaremKing said:
Indeed. Those were games that had potential to flop and they did not, as KH2 came out like 15 years ago and there were like 7 or 8 games and various multimedia in between that and KH3, so fans could have easily just gotten disinterested as apparently they did with Yokai Watch.

Level 5 sure knows how to drive a franchise into the ground.

Lelouch0612 · Jul 19, 2019

Terraforce said:
What? That isn't true. It hit 1 mill in three weeks, and that's without some of the digital totals. Don't know what reason you have to downplay its success.

https://www.dualshockers.com/final-...s-japan-christmas-total-jp-sales-now-miilion/

First, you should read your source more carefully. Those numbers are using physical sales as of January 22nd, 2017 (8 weeks after the launch of the game) + the first three weeks of "estimaded digital sales" from Famitsu.

Initial shipment for FFXV was 1,07m according to Media Create. At the end of 2017, so more than a year, the game was still not there with 1.00m units sold according to Media Create despite huge discounts that cut the price as deep as 8 times the initial price.

The game bombed hard in Japan and retailers ate the loss.

The Struggler · Jul 19, 2019

The fact that Days Gone is number 15 in Japan is pretty amazing

Nanashrew · Jul 19, 2019

Should also be noted that the unfortunate thing is that Famitsu digital estimates are unreliable. Famitsu doesn't have access to digital numbers at all. They estimate through polls and their reader base and whatever other method they use. And they're always off by quite a bit. In Japan, no company gives out digital information to the likes of Famitsu, Dengeki, or Media Create like what is currently done over here with NPD.

Terraforce · Jul 19, 2019

Lelouch0612 said:
First, you should read your source more carefully. Those numbers are using physical sales as of January 22nd, 2017 (8 weeks after the launch of the game) + the first three weeks of "estimaded digital sales" from Famitsu.

Initial shipment for FFXV was 1,07m according to Media Create. At the end of 2017, so more than a year, the game was still not there with 1.00m units sold according to Media Create despite huge discounts that cut the price as deep as 8 times the initial price.

The game bombed hard in Japan and retailers ate the loss.

Sounds as if Media Create is the discrepancy here? By all accounts Famitsu had it over a million (the same publication this thread is kinda based on)

HaremKing · Jul 19, 2019

Hero said:
Kingdom Hearts is one of the most reliable third party franchises in Japan. This reality where KH3 had "potential" flop isn't the one we are currently in.

I mean, I can quote to you Game Data Library stats of the games that directly preceeded KH3. There was in no way a given that KH3 would have sales nearly matching the other two numbered (without decimals or fractions) titles of the series, especially when you consider the decline of the Playstation home console in Japan.

IronTed · Jul 19, 2019

At week 3 FFXV was at 815k on MC and 825k on Famitsu, no where near 1 million.

konoka · Jul 19, 2019

Vinnk said:
You are correct of course. I know I shouldn't feed the trolls.

It looks like you can't understand the advice in essence.

Gotdatmoney · Jul 19, 2019

Terraforce said:
Sounds as if Media Create is the discrepancy here? By all accounts Famitsu had it over a million (the same publication this thread is kinda based on)

Famitsu never had it above 1m retail.

Lelouch0612 · Jul 19, 2019

Terraforce said:
Sounds as if Media Create is the discrepancy here? By all accounts Famitsu had it over a million (the same publication this thread is kinda based on)

Last known number on Famitsu was 995k as of July 23rd, 2017. It only made it until that point because retailers were doing everything to get rid of their copies.

Alandring · Jul 19, 2019

Vinnk said:
Nor do we have proof that the companies are lying when they say their games are doing well on the Switch.

It depends what you consider as "well", but we have some things like that:

We also have monthly digital ranking for eShop sales and monthly ranking for physical Switch games, so even if we don't have precise numbers, we aren't in the dark.

Hero · Jul 19, 2019

HaremKing said:
I mean, I can quote to you Game Data Library stats of the games that directly preceeded KH3. There was in no way a given that KH3 would have sales nearly matching the other two numbered (without decimals or fractions) titles of the series, especially when you consider the decline of the Playstation home console in Japan.

The handheld non-numbered KH games that still managed to sell 300,000+ copies? KH is a known quantity and the fact that you are arguing that it had a chance to bomb is mind-boggling.

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