Do we have examples of his work? Maybe it really was what a professional would consider a beginner's level of work?
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Japanese artist lady who provided free drawing tutorials (@MangaMaterials) harassed and bullied off twitter for using the word "beginner"
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Do we have examples of his work? Maybe it really was what a professional would consider a beginner's level of work?
Someday, someday we'll learn how to speak to one another with nuance on the internet, but sadly that day is still far far off. As someone who can't draw the tutorial is absolutely right, gaining the confidence to use long, smooth strokes is difficult
Nothing wrong or inflammatory about the word beginner. What a bunch of scrubs.
Hope she finds an audience elsewhere.
Hope she finds an audience elsewhere.
Always love the irony of people complaining about "fake outrage" going out of their way to complain about "fake outrage"
What they did was a whole ton of concern trolling while other people were spitting vitriol at this artist/translator team. They wrote that other people might be slightly offended at the label while those same people were attacking her? Mine was a harsh comment, sure, but putting fuel in the flames, no matter how innocuous, still keeps it burning.
I watched this go down in real time and it was so fucking embarrassing. Fuck those bullies. Some people look for any reason to get angry. Good job assholes, you lost a valuable and free resource.
You can support her on Pixiv Fanbox and get the translations: https://www.pixiv.net/fanbox/creator/25310139
You can support her on Pixiv Fanbox and get the translations: https://www.pixiv.net/fanbox/creator/25310139
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Same. I don't suppose you did or happen to know anyone who may have captured it through an archive or images? Seems everywhere I look sadly people just embedded the tweet and thus when it got scrubbed it went down everywhere. I do lament that I'm unable to find the better examples and wish I'd taken shots of it for the proof.
Not all comments exist in isolation.
What propel often don't realise about bullying is that it's often the sum of its parts, not just a single incident or person.
If for example, I have a legitimate point to make about something someone said, but a lot of others are being hostsile and harrassing towards that person far out of proportion of what that person originally did, I am only adding to the bullying and making it worse by trying to play devil's advocate for the bullies.
(Also to be clear, anyone upset at "beginner" is someone who I consider laughable. But that's besides the point here.)
Sadly nope. I do remember that most of the abuse was buried by people supporting MM shortly before she deleted the tweet. There's a few screenshots floating around on Twitter but nothing super substantial.
Twitter is fucking built for terrible people to dogpile an individual and drive them into the ground.
And yes, there are some people who hate actual professional advice and techniques in creative fields because they're immature narcissists. I've watched tutorial videos by pro artists where they have to specifically preface the most basic instruction by saying "Being unable to draft well is not a personal style. That's not how any of this works."
And yes, there are some people who hate actual professional advice and techniques in creative fields because they're immature narcissists. I've watched tutorial videos by pro artists where they have to specifically preface the most basic instruction by saying "Being unable to draft well is not a personal style. That's not how any of this works."
What a bunch of ungrateful BEGINNERS. They felt called out because they indeed draw as the lady pointed out, with short and scuffy lines and instead of accepting it and practice to improve, they just bully her. Even freaking Michelangelo when he was 80 years old, said "I'm still learning". Fuck those people on social media who feel like the i-know-it-all and bitch about everything.
I can't tell what's real and what's parody anymore. This sounds like a bunch of trolls that are pretending to get offended over absolutely nothing whatsoever, and then harassing a poor instructor about it.
These people are gonna have a bad time if these words are what sets them off about their skill. In a professional setting, they will just be called 'bad.'
I've never even heard of the word beginner having a negative connotation. Is this a Twitter thing?
Silver lining is that it pushed at least a few people to support her fanbox, so that's nice. Not worth dealing with this shit though, and it's only going to serve to further alienate foreign artists from the west. I wish people would just learn common (it's not common) decency when interacting with people in any capacity
Nah man. That's not implied and it's not accurate. That's an inference you drew from nowhere.
There's two issues presented by this topic. 1) Is dogpiling internet strangers shitty? To that I say "yes." 2) Is there any truth at all to the idea that line strokes indicate an artist's skill or experience? Or are line strokes potentially a style choice? I don't really know about drawing. I'd like to see the criticism articulated by... anybody.
The Dunning Kruger effect in action. People who are incompetent tend to be unable to see their own incompetence, while those who are competent see how much they have left to learn
It's a basic simplified example of how experience and practice makes drawing things second nature. Someone who's been drawing hands for a decade could do it easily without any need for rough strokes.
The Twitter "art community", like most Twitter communities, is unbearably awful and Twitter is honestly a disaster in general.
It's not "harassment" when one person tells another person "I find that rude".
It's harassment when a couple of hundred people tells one person "I find that rude".
Every individual person feels entitled to voice their complaints and maybe they are, but when there's a bunch of entitlement on one end and a single person on the other end, it ends up as harassment.
Social media sucks.
(Also this is the same mentality of when gamers get upset at "easy mode")
It's harassment when a couple of hundred people tells one person "I find that rude".
Every individual person feels entitled to voice their complaints and maybe they are, but when there's a bunch of entitlement on one end and a single person on the other end, it ends up as harassment.
Social media sucks.
(Also this is the same mentality of when gamers get upset at "easy mode")
I agree that the reaction were bad and childish, I don't say that using a lot of lines are a sign of being at beginner level, more a matter of style. Of course you are correct in the fact that the more you learn the more you can do, but I argue that experts can do whatever they want, and single line is not often productive.
I mean it even says that it's not the case that longer lines are necessarily better, just that you won't NEED to use a ton of shorter lines as you gain more skill and experience
These people are in for a rude awakening once they log off and enter the real world if they're offended by a term like 'beginner'.
In the real world nobody would give a shit. It's probably fake outrage. And if it's real outrage, these are people who may have never entered the real world before so yeah I guess they'd be in for quite a shock.
Fucking losers.
Yeah and the wildest part about Twitter is how easily people get caught in the crossfire. It must really suck to have any kind of following and then people are constantly bickering with each other in your mentions not even really about you but Twitter really wants you to see it.
Again, I don't know how this one unfolded, but it's easy to imagine a version of this where some slice of Artist Twitter wants to debate technique-based condescension or whatever... but then the lady just gets drowned in replies because Twitter is basically set up for her to personally "host" the argument.
The idea of "beginner" being a harsh term is the closest I've come to feeling like an old person grumbling "fucking kids these days," lol.
It's disheartening just how common it is for perfectly nice people to get caught up in the bullshit grinder of social media drama / overreactions / etc.
It's disheartening just how common it is for perfectly nice people to get caught up in the bullshit grinder of social media drama / overreactions / etc.
