Japanese artist lady who provided free drawing tutorials (@MangaMaterials) harassed and bullied off twitter for using the word "beginner"

[Chiaroscuro]

I mean it even says that it's not the case that longer lines are necessarily better, just that you won't NEED to use a ton of shorter lines as you gain more skill and experience

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But the way she present the idea left space to that childish responses. People were arguing that the style they are using classifies them as beginners dispute the experience they have. Not that beginner is a bad term, but the classification that everyone that does not use single lines are not pros.

 

[just a slowpoke]

Twitter is objective shit.

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i remember someone saying "every day someone is chosen to be the main character of Twitter, and that person loses"

pretty accurate summary, in my opinion

 

[Aaronrules380]

But the way she present the idea left space to that childish responses. People were arguing that the style they are using classifies them as beginners dispute the experience they have. Not that beginner is a bad term, but the classification that everyone that does not use single lines are not pros.

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But it specifically says that's not the case? It seems pretty clear what she was trying to say to me, but sure, keep blaming the victim I guess

 

[Deleted member 13328]

She should have gone the Dark Souls way and just post a new tutorial.

1. Git Gud.

 

[IzzyRX]

I don't even have words.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

But it specifically says that's not the case? It seems pretty clear what she was trying to say to me, but sure, keep blaming the victim I guess

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Not blaming the victim, sorry. Those reactions are from jerks. Nothing granted them the rights do that.

I was just expressing my reaction to her thoughts and I realize that while she was pretty clear in her intention there was also a language issue (English is not my native language too) that may have compromised my reading of her tutorial.

 

[Shoeless]

Does this mean that future classes for people that have zero experience in something and are learning it from the ground up will have to be called "Future Experts Class," or "Expert Discovery" or something like that?

 

[Radeo]

But the way she present the idea left space to that childish responses. People were arguing that the style they are using classifies them as beginners dispute the experience they have. Not that beginner is a bad term, but the classification that everyone that does not use single lines are not pros.

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Even if that was the case, a true professional would have enough confidence to believe in their ability and not take offense over general guidelines that aren't even specifically aimed at them.

 

[Chindogg]

How much do you want to bet there wouldn't have been even a fraction of the harassment if the person in question had been male

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They assumed she was Male. They accused her of shaming people and other buzzwords angry artist Twitter uses.

 

[Ragnorok64]

I wish more of the original tweets existed so I could know what actually happened here.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Even if that was the case, a true professional would have enough confidence to believe in their ability and not take offense over general guidelines that aren't even specifically aimed at them.

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Sure. Nothing justifies those reactions.

Even if you disagree with her (which I do at some extent) taking offense is just a sign of not having confidence, thus being a beginner ...

 

[Stinkles]

What a bunch of damn beginners.

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Absolute

 

[Xpike]

giving every uneducated person an opinion was a mistake

 

[game-biz]

I don't even know where to begin with these fucking assholes...

 

[Deleted member 19782]

Reading this makes my blood boil. Someone was just trying to offer help out of the kindness of their own hearts and she gets treated like that? Trash people.

 

[HeyNay]

Does this mean that future classes for people that have zero experience in something and are learning it from the ground up will have to be called "Future Experts Class," or "Expert Discovery" or something like that?

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"There is no right or wrong" has been a staple of cruddy art education for decades now. Some people don't actually want to get better, and get angry when those around them grow and succeed. They just want to be told that their low efforts are as beautiful and gorgeous as the learned student.

And... who knows?! Maybe they are beautiful in their own way.... but... that doesn't give you the right to shit on people who are trying to learn, or to shit on the teacher, who generally goes above and beyond to give. It is rare to receive knowledge, and wise critiques in the field of art. Shitting on that is like shitting on a rose in the desert.

 

[Conciliator]

If we come together and work hard enough, I truly believe we can cancel everything good in this world

 

[scitek]

Stupid thing to be "offended" over. But even so... how about just recommending a different word instead? Amateur? Novice? Newcomer?

 

[demondance]

It's weird, nothing seems to attract packs of the most vocally unreasonable psychos like someone who creates free content.

You see this with game modders, people who make free use art, freeware developers, people who put out free patches for digital synths, etc. etc. etc. Intuitively you'd think people who make free things would have much friendlier communities than professional work but it consistently is the opposite.

Makes you wonder how many great content creators willing to put out free stuff get driven away well before they become this prominent.

 

[Lant_War]

Maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker either, but I'm really not seeing how beginner is offensive. Hell, I call myself a beginner in things I've been doing for years :P

 

[lunarworks]

All those fuckers need this applied to their Twitter avatar:

 

[Strike]

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Ragnorok64]

What was the nature of the bullying the artist was receiving? Like I can understand how calling that first example "beginner" could be disheartening seeing as all three exhibit proper foreshortening and form. But the tutorial was about line work, not form.

I really need a better picture of what actually went down, not just an overview after the fact.

 

[Radeo]

Reading this makes my blood boil. Someone was just trying to offer help out of the kindness of their own hearts and she gets treated like that? Trash people.

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Off topic but do you have the source for your profile pic? It's really nice!

 

[Harry Potter Obama]

Aw man does this mean I have to call it "the B slur" now?

 

[dark_prinny]

Jesus Christ

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Used to wonder why it was common for Japanese/Korean etcetera to just block all Americans or English Speakers or block them for commenting but I think I get it now

 

[Spenny]

All those fuckers need this applied to their Twitter avatar:

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I still love that I see people who drive tuner cars use this sticker. It's like the car version of an idiot getting a kanji tattoo that ends up saying "bbq pork".

 

[lunarworks]

I still love that I see people who drive tuner cars use this sticker. It's like the car version of an idiot getting a kanji tattoo that ends up saying "bbq pork".

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The first time I saw someone driving with one of those stickers around here I was like "Do... they know what that means?"

 

[Mr. X]

Twitter sucks
Wannabe Artist twitter sucks above average

 

[Sunster]

What a bunch of damn beginners.

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A1 first post

 

[StarStorm]

Beginners as offensive? More like they're insecure being called beginners.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Yeah Twitter is shit

None of this would have happened on deviantArt back in the day.

 

[thecouncil]

im not a beginner, ok? ive been doing this for forty fucking minutes. im in deep. almost at your level.

 

[Deleted member 32561]

Something I really fucking hate is that it's absolutely fucked up that people bullied mangamaterials off Twitter, yes. But, people who also got pissed at people who were giving tutorials on how to draw dark-skinned characters are having the gall to get angry at this as well. Like, shut up, you were stifling and criticizing people just trying to be educational too less than a week ago. You don't get to be angry, hypocrite.

But yeah, getting upset at being called a beginner is pretty silly, and attacking someone for it is pretty fucked. Obviously if your style doesn't match the tutorial on purpose then, well, it's not directed at you, is it?!

 

[mercenar1e]

How is "Beginner" offensive? The fuck?

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What's not offensive these days.

 

[thecouncil]

Aw man does this mean I have to call it "the B slur" now?

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"whats the "b" word?"

"...please dont make me say it."

 

[Nazo]

What is it with people lately going out of their way and harassing artists? Being an artist myself this makes me sick and only reinforces my decision to NEVER show any of my art online.

 

[GameShrink]

I feel like Twitter contributes absolutely nothing positive to society, even when compared to other social media platforms.

 

[Chindogg]

What is it with people lately going out of their way and harassing artists? Being an artist myself this makes me sick and only reinforces my decision to NEVER show any of my art online.

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Lately? Artists get slammed from the left and right on a daily basis.

Remember the Steven Universe fanart fiasco? Woke SU Twitter almost drove that artist to suicide.

 

[Nazo]

Lately? Artists get slammed from the left and right on a daily basis.

Remember the Steven Universe fanart fiasco? Woke SU Twitter almost drove that artist to suicide.

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A fair point. Just been really weird and extreme the last few weeks.

 

[ISOM]

Social media and the internet gives voices to crazy people.

 

[Mobu]

Oof, those people will never make it big, i know there are tons of people in the proffesional setting that wont hesitate to call your work trash

 

[JaseC64]

Social media. How I wish it was snaped out of existence. It wont solve harassment but it's become a tool for it.

 

[Aurica]

Reminds me of this prank call where a guy calls a kid who's a Counter Strike pro and keeps calling him a novice, except he kinda has a reason to react. These people are ridiculous.

 

[FoxJenkins]

I imagine these people are the "Nah I only play on All Madden" types. Gotta stroke that ego even when you are watching someone give you tips on something that you don't even know how to do. Weird.

 

[Deleted member 29939]

I'd call them filthy graphite peasants crawlling out of the primordial art muck.

 

[Shy]

BEGINNER IS NOT A FUCKING OFFENSIVE TERM. YOU INSECURE, NARCISSISTIC, PETTY, JEALOUS, VAPID. CUNTS.

FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU ALL.

Shit like this makes me so angry.

Crazy; people have lashed out at me in the past for using words like "beginner", "novice", and "amateur." What kind of language are people supposed to be using as a descriptor? What's wrong with being a beginner?

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Insecure narcissistic cunt.

I can't tell what's real and what's parody anymore. This sounds like a bunch of trolls that are pretending to get offended over absolutely nothing whatsoever, and then harassing a poor instructor about it.

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Nah. Not trolls. People use that term far too often.

Stupid thing to be "offended" over. But even so... how about just recommending a different word instead? Amateur? Novice? Newcomer?

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But BUT ?!?!?!? Nah, no fucking Buts. Fuck using a different term because a bunch of narcissists got upset, because the correct term was used.

What is it with people lately going out of their way and harassing artists? Being an artist myself this makes me sick and only reinforces my decision to NEVER show any of my art online.

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Just a bunch of jealous people.

 

[Deleted member 5359]

Sounds familiar.

 

[ebi]

Oh wow, I follow her and witnessed the whole thing unfold but I wasn't aware she was deleting her account. :( This makes me sad and angry at the same time.

English-speaking art twitter sure is something lately.