What if they took the millions they are spending on getting games removed from Steam and instead used it to hire more development staff.
This. Honesty goes a long way. I am not gonna fault developers for taking ton of money (even if it is not free - it does result in a reputation hit and possible lower sales) but please don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.At least they're honest that they did it for the cash, rather than peddling the usual bullshit about it being a 'superior experience for consumers'.
If I decide to buy Rainbow Six Siege on uPlay, I don't also have to spend four hundred dollars for the privilege of using uPlay. I can just buy whatever games are only on a given store front and get everything else on the one that lets me play games with a Dualshock 4 without fiddling with a second program.
valve just releases a game a few weeks ago. epic last released a game a few years ago.
valve supports multiple games. epic just supports one game.
I explained you the difference already and you come with the same bad comparisons.
Your bias is showing dude. Valve at the moment does more for me as someone who plays on PC than any other company on the planet. Just because they don't do anything that benefits you directly doesn't mean they don't do anything. Ignoring the stuff they do to be smug about how Valve is not better than Epic is a pretty cheap trick.
And honestly with developers complaining about how they are making less money on Steam thse days I cant blame a dev for taking Epics money.
Valve has created a bit of a mess and Epic can use it.
I feel like Epic really shouldn't have cancelled Paragon and Unreal Tournament: The New One. They would have been smarter loss leaders than some of these exclusives.
Hopefully Fortnite keeps making them cash because they would be boned without it.
dota underlords. but that probably doesn't count for some reason.Sorry, which game is that? It's pretyy clear they have no intentions of making games like they used to but I am hopeful about new VR games.
"Valve has treated the developers bad that we won't allow on our store in the first place!"And honestly with developers complaining about how they are making less money on Steam thse days I cant blame a dev for taking Epics money.
Valve has created a bit of a mess and Epic can use it.
More money to devs is good but a more fractured, platform driven PC gaming space doesn't sound great. I have no idea how to feel about this
dota underlords. but that probably doesn't count for some reason.
It is but Epic is notorious for trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to implementing functionality that could simply be purchased as an existing toolset.You'd think some of that money would actually be spent on the development of that barebones, slapdash piece of shit store.
Your use of "games I am interested in" is pretty telling here, but then I have no idea what any of this has to do with this topic.Some take exception to the , it's just another launcher replies. I myself have way more issue with third party exclusvity on game consoles but some don't like talking about that thinking its totally different when to me it isn't. You are either fine with exclusvity or you're not, there is no waffling because it suits you better.
Anyways the best scenario here is Epic making their store much better and to stop the deals whose intent is to just block the game coming to Steam.
Sorry, which game is that? It's pretyy clear they have no intentions of making games like they used to but I am hopeful about new VR games.
Bad comparisons or just examples you don't approve of? I already explained to you they do in fact work, I bought Hayes so there is one example right there.
I never said they weren't doing anything. I said they are not doing what they used to which is make games I am interested in because the criticism was Epic wasn't curating titles and just wants to use its resources to get third party away from Steam. We in my eyes Valve seems quite happy just taking money from third party sales and not using it towards game development.
"i don't care about this thing so it doesn't count" is basically a meme on this board now.It's one of the downsides to a free and open market. The upside of course is no fee to play online so it all depends on how much you resent multiple launchers.
That and Artifact might count for you but those aren't the type of games that I loved about Valve.
And honestly with developers complaining about how they are making less money on Steam thse days I cant blame a dev for taking Epics money.
Valve has created a bit of a mess and Epic can use it.
That and Artifact might count for you but those aren't the type of games that I loved about Valve.
That and Artifact might count for you but those aren't the type of games that I loved about Valve.
I dont think surviving for more short time is way to go. Especially doing very bad to your customers.this is a good time for smaller independent developers to make some money so they can survive a bit longer. so while egs exclusivity is shitty in some ways, it's also a positive in others
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- the wishlist thing was overreacting to a thing that happens with EVERY big Sale. Customers look at their wishlist more often when there is a big sale. Either they don't know why they added the game, the game wasn't purchased for some years because they didn't care, or the game doesn't get discounted enough, so they finally deleted their game from the wishlist.
- if your game doesn't make money on the Steam store, it isn't good enough or doesn't have a big enough audience. There are already indies and 1-man developers who sold more copies on Steam in 2019 than the biggest success story, we heard of, on the Epic store.
I am doing the same. It's good that the guy is upfront, bit at the same time, that company is going on the "GamePass, deep sale on Steam or never" list.I like the honesty here, though I've never had interest in their games. But it shows just how much money Epic is throwing around. I'm not touching EGS and I'm taking notes of the devs who take the money hat and go exclusive showing that it's all about the money for them.
I'm also going to guess that Strange Brigade bombing had something to do with this. I doubt that Epic Store's "visibility" is going to help much. Zombie games do seem to do well no matter where they release though (see World War Z)
That will never happen and it's not reason why devs go for EGS either.Hopefully Epic keep the pressure on, at least long enough for Valve to feel the need to adjust Steam's rev share.
that would depend on how large a fraction of the pc audience really gets outraged about these deals. it could be a vocal minority that wouldn't affect future sales much. also, for developers releasing games on consoles as well, losing some buyers on pc may be worth it for some immediate cash. will be interesting to see how things goI dont think surviving for more short time is way to go. Especially doing very bad to your customers.
I Mean sure if it was announced as egs exclusive i dont have problem , but those games who pulled from steam to egs will have serious / franchises problems moving on . I dont think gamers will care for their next shit anymore.
There are huge tons of games out there
Chris compared the competition to the ancient rivalry of Sony and Microsoft in the console space, particularly when it gets "too far out of whack" like the runaway success of the PlayStation 2, which many argue led to complacency with the PlayStation 3.
goddammit
Paying a lot of money.
Hopefully Epic keep the pressure on, at least long enough for Valve to feel the need to adjust Steam's rev share.
What happens if Epic doesn't pony up cash for the next games but customers remember dev's BS?
Tea? I thought you guys threw it all into the sea!Can't you guys wait until it's later in the day before making another goddamn Epic thread it's 9 AM I haven't even had my tea yet
Paying a shitload of money
Your use of "games I am interested in" is pretty telling here, but then I have no idea what any of this has to do with this topic.
"i don't care about this thing so it doesn't count" is basically a meme on this board now.
I don't care about battle royale games, so I guess that mean Epic hasn't made any new games, either.
So because you dont like those games they dont count? Talk about bad faith arguments
Hint: Epic won't stop with their shitty moneyhatting, even if that happens.Hopefully Epic keep the pressure on, at least long enough for Valve to feel the need to adjust Steam's rev share.
No, im telling you to stop lying. Valve makes games, you just dont like them.So you're telling me we never heard any complaints in the past from EA or Ubisoft or Microsoft about GaaS type of games or are you really trying to suggest Valve is off-limits to cristism, which is it?
As I said before, my original comment was in response to someone speaking about Epic and their lack of making games and insdtead just moneyhatting third party.