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Jason Kingsley: Epic is "paying through the nose" to build its store
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And honestly with developers complaining about how they are making less money on Steam thse days I cant blame a dev for taking Epics money.
Valve has created a bit of a mess and Epic can use it.
Valve has created a bit of a mess and Epic can use it.
This. Honesty goes a long way. I am not gonna fault developers for taking ton of money (even if it is not free - it does result in a reputation hit and possible lower sales) but please don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.
Some take exception to the , it's just another launcher replies. I myself have way more issue with third party exclusvity on game consoles but some don't like talking about that thinking its totally different when to me it isn't. You are either fine with exclusvity or you're not, there is no waffling because it suits you better.
Anyways the best scenario here is Epic making their store much better and to stop the deals whose intent is to just block the game coming to Steam.
Sorry, which game is that? It's pretyy clear they have no intentions of making games like they used to but I am hopeful about new VR games.
Bad comparisons or just examples you don't approve of? I already explained to you they do in fact work, I bought Hayes so there is one example right there.
I never said they weren't doing anything. I said they are not doing what they used to which is make games I am interested in because the criticism was Epic wasn't curating titles and just wants to use its resources to get third party away from Steam. We in my eyes Valve seems quite happy just taking money from third party sales and not using it towards game development.
No can deny Valve's screw up in the latest sale but the type of games the developers that were interviewed in this piece make won't even be accepted by Epic in the first place.
I'm also going to guess that Strange Brigade bombing had something to do with this. I doubt that Epic Store's "visibility" is going to help much. Zombie games do seem to do well no matter where they release though (see World War Z)
More money to devs is good but a more fractured, platform driven PC gaming space doesn't sound great. I have no idea how to feel about this
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What's so absurd about this exclusivity approach is I guess most developers won't even think about voluntary putting their games on EGS now because they would miss the chance of Epic coming around and paying them money to do so.
It does seem like it's a bit of a race to get the epic store making money before fortnite loses its steam.
dota underlords. but that probably doesn't count for some reason.
"Valve has treated the developers bad that we won't allow on our store in the first place!"
It's one of the downsides to a free and open market. The upside of course is no fee to play online so it all depends on how much you resent multiple launchers.
That and Artifact might count for you but those aren't the type of games that I loved about Valve.
I like the honesty here, though I've never had interest in their games. But it shows just how much money Epic is throwing around. I'm not touching EGS and I'm taking notes of the devs who take the money hat and go exclusive showing that it's all about the money for them.
It is but Epic is notorious for trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to implementing functionality that could simply be purchased as an existing toolset.
There are key tech leads that see it as a waste of money when it could be developed in house. I have a feeling this is whats holding up key store functionality.
Your use of "games I am interested in" is pretty telling here, but then I have no idea what any of this has to do with this topic.
"i don't care about this thing so it doesn't count" is basically a meme on this board now.
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- the wishlist thing was overreacting to a thing that happens with EVERY big Sale. Customers look at their wishlist more often when there is a big sale. Either they don't know why they added the game, the game wasn't purchased for some years because they didn't care, or the game doesn't get discounted enough, so they finally deleted their game from the wishlist.
- if your game doesn't make money on the Steam store, it isn't good enough or doesn't have a big enough audience. There are already indies and 1-man developers who sold more copies on Steam in 2019 than the biggest success story, we heard of, on the Epic store.
I don't care about battle royale games, so I guess that mean Epic hasn't made any new games, either.
this is a good time for smaller independent developers to make some money so they can survive a bit longer. so while egs exclusivity is shitty in some ways, it's also a positive in others
So because you dont like those games they dont count? Talk about bad faith arguments
I dont think surviving for more short time is way to go. Especially doing very bad to your customers.
I Mean sure if it was announced as egs exclusive i dont have problem , but those games who pulled from steam to egs will have serious / franchises problems moving on . I dont think gamers will care for their next shit anymore.
There are huge tons of games out there
maybe valve feeling some pressure will lead to them finally releasing highly anticipated portal 3
That story highlighted issues bigger then the summer sale mess. Like how changes in Steams diacoverability has seen developers sales crator since the switch flipped.
The steam sale mess just made that worse as these devs hoped they would see their normal summer sale bump after getting by on 8 months of lower sales. (They didnt)
Now you got a bunch of hungry indie devs. And yeah. If Epic sees this as a chance to cherry pick some of the best ones and toss some money their way I'm not gonna say I blame anyone on that side.
Epic tossing money at crowd funded games is still scumming just in case anyone brings that. Not cool. They should stop doing that.
I am doing the same. It's good that the guy is upfront, bit at the same time, that company is going on the "GamePass, deep sale on Steam or never" list.
I wonder about actual sales of a lot of these Epic exclusives. What happens if Epic doesn't pony up cash for the next games but customers remember dev's BS?
Correction: Epic's spending a lot of microtransaction money.
Strange Brigade was multiplatform. It just failed to do as well as WWZ, likely because it just doesn't look nearly as good.
I came close to buying it during the Steam sale, but ultimately felt that it was Zombie Army with a different cost of paint.
Strange Brigade was multiplatform. It just failed to do as well as WWZ, likely because it just doesn't look nearly as good.
I came close to buying it during the Steam sale, but ultimately felt that it was Zombie Army with a different cost of paint.
That will never happen and it's not reason why devs go for EGS either.
Just a poor excuse.
Can't you guys wait until it's later in the day before making another goddamn Epic thread it's 9 AM I haven't even had my tea yet
Paying a shitload of money
Paying a shitload of money
that would depend on how large a fraction of the pc audience really gets outraged about these deals. it could be a vocal minority that wouldn't affect future sales much. also, for developers releasing games on consoles as well, losing some buyers on pc may be worth it for some immediate cash. will be interesting to see how things go
And to balance that out, take away all of the features they offer it's users for free that Sony and Nintendo charge for, as well as the ones they and Epic don't have.
That would be fair right?
Once Epic takes over they're going to start charging for online and cloud services anyways. Then the apologists can tow the corporate line that these fees are needed to keep that revenue split going. We'll get the excuse of console makers do it, so it's okay for PC players to pay.
I think it's too early to tell, but I will certainly remember those who took the Epic money.
So you're telling me we never heard any complaints in the past from EA or Ubisoft or Microsoft about GaaS type of games or are you really trying to suggest Valve is off-limits to cristism, which is it?
As I said before, my original comment was in response to someone speaking about Epic and their lack of making games and insdtead just moneyhatting third party.
Hint: Epic won't stop with their shitty moneyhatting, even if that happens.
I would imagine so. They're trying to do battle with a behemoth in the space, in a very short time frame. That's gotta be expensive. Maybe it'll work out for them if this initial flurry is successful.
No, im telling you to stop lying. Valve makes games, you just dont like them.
