No rev share can beat cash up front.Hopefully Epic keep the pressure on, at least long enough for Valve to feel the need to adjust Steam's rev share.
And to balance that out, take away all of the features they offer it's users for free that Sony and Nintendo charge for, as well as the ones they and Epic don't have.
That would be fair right?
You think not letting games on your storefront because they look "bad" is developer friendly?Steam Defense Force can slow their roll. If you think Valve asks for the percentage they do because of those features, you're a bit mad. Valve needed some serious competition to improve, and I'm glad they have it. If they choose not to be more developer friendly, than I'm happy hoping success on EGS.
So "developer friendly" is purely cut of sales and not at all related to features like controller support, community hubs, achievements, badges, Steam Workshop, or anything like that.Steam Defense Force can slow their roll. If you think Valve asks for the percentage they do because of those features, you're a bit mad. Valve needed some serious competition to improve, and I'm glad they have it. If they choose not to be more developer friendly, than I'm happy hoping success on EGS.
Steam Defense Force can slow their roll. If you think Valve asks for the percentage they do because of those features, you're a bit mad. Valve needed some serious competition to improve, and I'm glad they have it. If they choose not to be more developer friendly, than I'm happy hoping success on EGS.
Paying to get games removed from Steam is not competition."Build it's store."
Yes, that is what is happening here. Thank you for competition.
complaining about something is not the same as acting like something doesn't exist just because you don't care about it.So you're telling me we never heard any complaints in the past from EA or Ubisoft or Microsoft about GaaS type of games or are you really trying to suggest Valve is off-limits to cristism, which is it?
As I said before, my original comment was in response to someone speaking about Epic and their lack of making games and insdtead just moneyhatting third party.
Hopefully Epic keep the pressure on, at least long enough for Valve to feel the need to adjust Steam's rev share.
Steam Defense Force can slow their roll. If you think Valve asks for the percentage they do because of those features, you're a bit mad. Valve needed some serious competition to improve, and I'm glad they have it. If they choose not to be more developer friendly, than I'm happy hoping success on EGS.
Paying to get games removed from Steam is not competition.
It is eliminating competition.
Competition requires consumers to have a choice. Epic are removing choices.
don't worry all the features are coming inif this is going to be the new normal, epic had better get basic functionality working
if the store had all the features that could be reasonably expected, i bet not as many people would see red when they pay for exclusivity
I definitely worry about that aspect on Epic. Steam definitely has the better approach there. I think allow all okay games, and just highlight gems is best method.You think not letting games on your storefront because they look "bad" is developer friendly?
Remember that time Epic rejected a fantastic game with 86 metacritic because even though it's an amazing game, Epic sees no value in games that cannot be used as a tool to attempt to get one over on Steam, and the game was already available on Steam?lmao at this post
"developer friendly" sure buddy, keep believing in that.
I'm just messing around. Read (and reposted in the PC Gaming thread this morning) a quote from the EIC of EDGE Magazine that attributes the Steam Labs content to Epic's presence, so at this point people are obviously just repeating the Competition mantra even though they know it's not at all the case. It's just propaganda.
that's what I've been saying since the beginning! it's such a short term move in the grand scheme of thingsIn the short term, this makes perfect sense for developers. They get guaranteed money that recoups their spend on development. However, I am curious about long term. Let's say they want to make Zombie Army 5. Fewer people will have bought 4 than if it were available on all stores, so that will stunt the series' audience acquisition. So they will have to spend more on marketing 5, and they will be more dependent on an Epic moneyhat for their new title to succeed. And what if epic decides not to find ZA5? Then the developers will have ended up doing long term damage to their brand and will need to spend more money to stay afloat.
A one time cash infusion is nice, but in the end you want to sell your game to as many people as possible for the long term. You can't keep relying on papa Sweeney forever.
- if your game doesn't make money on the Steam store, it isn't good enough or doesn't have a big enough audience.
Improve what? Name three things Epic offers that Steam doesn't.
I'll wait. Or are you one of those who don't use the platform, but feel the need to chime in with the tired old Epic defense?
Edit: Oh look, a new account. Shocker.
what games do you think they're taking from steam? ones that wouldn't have done well there? why would they have taken them then?If thats your take then I guess there should be no reason for you to be upset when games go to the epic store since you think they are bad games anyway.
Steam Defense Force can slow their roll. If you think Valve asks for the percentage they do because of those features, you're a bit mad. Valve needed some serious competition to improve, and I'm glad they have it. If they choose not to be more developer friendly, than I'm happy hoping success on EGS.
When they start taking games that bombed on Steam you might have a point.If thats your take then I guess there should be no reason for you to be upset when games go to the epic store since you think they are bad games anyway.
Epic to developers: Have a shit load of money
Epic to gamers: Eat shit, we will force you to use our store
I like that this dude is honest about it, but I'm still not buying anything there.
...Ok?If all of you are that upset these devs want money in a world where devs shut down studios every week, idk what to tel you
If all of you are that upset these devs want money in a world where devs shut down studios every week, idk what to tel you
so you're saying epic is picking and choosing who lives?!? death panels have returned!!If all of you are that upset these devs want money in a world where devs shut down studios every week, idk what to tel you
It's funny just how bad these games sell on EGS yet devs are willing to do it for that short term cash.
Metro was a biggish release and was a disaster sales wise on egs.
The pc gaming community has already pushed back against it, it's dead. Epic should have just offered games at lower prices to compete and released their own exclusives if they want it to grow.
If epic stopped their bullshit and released a new UT to their story I'd definitely buy it.
so you're saying epic is picking and choosing who lives?!? death panels have returned!!
"it's fine for developers and publishers to be totally self-interested but not their customers"If all of you are that upset these devs want money in a world where devs shut down studios every week, idk what to tel you
That's extremely revisionist.The PC gaming community pushed back against Steam when it launched too. People eventually gave up on being mad about that platform. We'll see what time, added features, etc does here.
The devs are gonna use the money from Epic to give me the game for free, right?If all of you are that upset these devs want money in a world where devs shut down studios every week, idk what to tel you